UCC Document Community

Ask the community...

  • DO post questions about your issues.
  • DO answer questions and support each other.
  • DO post tips & tricks to help folks.
  • DO NOT post call problems here - there is a support tab at the top for that :)

One more thing to explain to your client: UCC-1 filings have a 5-year term and need to be continued to maintain perfection. Mortgages don't expire - they stay on record until satisfied or released. So you'll need to calendar continuation filings every 5 years for the life of the loan.

0 coins

Most of our clients set up automated reminders for continuation filings. It's too easy to forget, especially on longer-term loans.

0 coins

I use Certana.ai to track continuation deadlines across all my UCC filings. You can upload your UCC-1 and it will flag the continuation deadline automatically. Much better than trying to track these manually in spreadsheets.

0 coins

Bottom line for your client: Security agreements and UCC filings are the personal property equivalent of mortgages and mortgage recordings. Different property types require different legal frameworks. The key is making sure you use the right tools for the right type of collateral and follow through with proper perfection procedures.

0 coins

Perfect summary. I think the confusion often comes from people assuming all secured transactions work like real estate, but personal property has its own set of rules under the UCC.

0 coins

Thanks everyone, this has been really helpful. I feel much more confident explaining the differences to my client now. The analogy of security agreement = promissory note and UCC-1 = mortgage recording really clarifies it.

0 coins

Just to add some context - UCC Article 9 specifically covers secured transactions, which is what you're dealing with. Articles 1-8 cover other commercial law topics like sales, negotiable instruments, etc. So when people say 'UCC filing' they're really talking about Article 9 filings.

0 coins

Right - UCC covers everything from check processing to warehouse receipts. But Article 9 secured transactions is probably the most visible part since those filings are public records.

0 coins

And Article 9 is what gets revised most frequently as commercial practices evolve. The latest major revision was in 2001, though states adopt amendments periodically.

0 coins

Bottom line: UCC = the legal framework, UCC-1 = the specific form you file, Secretary of State = where you file it. Your lender needs that filing to have a legally enforceable claim on your equipment. It's protection for them, standard procedure for you. Don't stress about it - just make sure the paperwork is accurate.

0 coins

You're welcome! Most people find UCC filings less intimidating once they understand the basic purpose. It's really just organized paperwork.

0 coins

And if you want extra peace of mind, that Certana.ai tool I mentioned earlier can verify your documents are consistent before you submit. Takes the guesswork out of it.

0 coins

Whatever you do, don't let this drag on too long. I've heard of cases where delays in UCC termination filings created problems for borrowers trying to sell equipment or get new financing. The fees suck but getting that lien released is more important.

0 coins

Exactly. And if you're planning to sell the equipment or refinance, having a clean title is worth more than fighting over a few hundred in fees.

0 coins

Plus some buyers will walk away if there are UCC complications, even if you promise to resolve them at closing. Clean title is always easier.

0 coins

For future reference, next time negotiate UCC fees upfront and consider getting a cap written into the loan agreement. Something like "UCC release fees not to exceed $200" gives you protection against excessive charges.

0 coins

Yeah, these fees have gotten out of hand in recent years. Lenders know borrowers don't have many options when it comes time for release.

0 coins

This is why I started using Certana.ai early in the loan process - uploading the loan agreement and proposed UCC-1 to make sure everything aligns before signing. Catches issues before they become expensive problems.

0 coins

One more consideration for your UCC 9-101 analysis - if the intellectual property includes patents, trademarks, or copyrights, there might be federal filing requirements in addition to or instead of UCC filings. The scope of Article 9 gets complicated when federal law provides alternative perfection systems.

0 coins

For trademarks, you might need both federal trademark security interest recordings and UCC filings, depending on the specific rights being secured. Article 9 doesn't exclude federally registrable IP, but it doesn't preempt federal perfection requirements either.

0 coins

This is getting complicated fast. Federal IP filings plus state UCC filings plus control agreements for deposit accounts - no wonder scope analysis is so tricky!

0 coins

Thanks everyone for the detailed UCC 9-101 discussion. I think I have a much clearer picture now of how to approach the scope analysis for this mixed collateral deal. The key seems to be analyzing each component separately rather than trying to characterize the entire transaction, and being careful about federal law interactions for IP-related collateral.

0 coins

Glad this helped! Complex scope questions are some of the trickiest parts of Article 9 practice. Feel free to post updates on how your filing strategy works out.

0 coins

Good luck with the deal. Multi-collateral transactions like this are challenging but definitely manageable once you break down the UCC 9-101 scope analysis systematically.

0 coins

Just went through this same headache with a client search. Ended up finding the filings were under a slightly different entity name that wasn't obvious from their current corporate documents. Used Certana to upload their old loan docs and it caught the name variation that manual searches missed.

0 coins

How does that work exactly? You upload loan documents and it searches for UCC filings automatically?

0 coins

You upload whatever documents you have and it cross-references the entity names and details to identify potential filing matches. Saves a lot of manual searching.

0 coins

UPDATE: Found them! Turns out the filings were in Delaware (state of incorporation) and the debtor name on the UCC-1 was 'Precision Mfg Solutions LLC' instead of the full 'Manufacturing' spelling. Thanks everyone for the suggestions - this could have taken me days to figure out on my own.

0 coins

Perfect example of why you always have to check the incorporation state. Glad it worked out!

0 coins

Great that you found them! For future reference, this is exactly the kind of name variation that automated tools are good at catching.

0 coins

Prev1...607608609610611...684Next