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Mei Liu

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This is a really helpful discussion! As someone new to rental property ownership, I'm learning so much about these tax rules. I have a follow-up question about the timing aspect - if I decide to capitalize the cabinet replacement as a single improvement project, do I depreciate it over 27.5 years like the rest of the rental property, or is there a different depreciation schedule for kitchen improvements specifically? Also, I'm curious about partial improvements - what if I only replace the upper cabinets this year and plan to do the lower cabinets next year? Would that change how the de minimis rule applies, since they'd be separate projects in different tax years? Or would the IRS still view this as one coordinated kitchen renovation that I'm just spreading out over time?

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Ethan Taylor

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Great questions! For depreciation, kitchen cabinet improvements are generally considered part of the building structure and would depreciate over 27.5 years along with the rest of your residential rental property. They're not considered separate personal property with a shorter depreciation period. Regarding your timing question about upper vs. lower cabinets - this is where it gets tricky. The IRS could potentially view this as a single coordinated improvement plan that you're implementing in phases, especially if you had the overall kitchen renovation in mind from the beginning. The fact that you're planning the lower cabinets for next year suggests this is one unified project. However, if there's a legitimate business reason for the timing (like cash flow constraints or tenant occupancy issues), and each phase can stand alone as a separate functional improvement, you might have a stronger argument for treating them separately. The key is whether each phase serves an independent function or if they're truly interdependent components of a single kitchen upgrade. I'd recommend documenting your business reasons for the phased approach and consulting with a tax professional who can review your specific circumstances.

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Emma Morales

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This is exactly the kind of situation where many rental property owners get tripped up! You're right to be cautious about your interpretation - the IRS has specific guidance that prevents exactly what you're considering. The key issue is that when purchases are made as part of a single improvement project, the IRS looks at the economic substance of the transaction, not just how you structure the invoices. A complete kitchen cabinet replacement would almost certainly be viewed as one coordinated improvement to your property, regardless of whether you buy the cabinets on separate trips or invoices. What you're describing - deliberately splitting purchases to stay under the $2,500 threshold - could be seen as an abusive tax avoidance scheme. The IRS has the authority to recharacterize transactions that lack economic substance beyond tax benefits. For your $9,000 kitchen cabinet project, you'd likely need to capitalize the entire cost and depreciate it over 27.5 years as part of your rental property. The de minimis safe harbor is really intended for truly separate, unrelated purchases - like buying a new water heater one month and fixing a fence the next month. My recommendation would be to treat this as a single capital improvement. It's better to be conservative with these rules than to take an aggressive position that could trigger penalties in an audit.

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Laila Prince

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This is really helpful advice! As someone just starting out with rental property taxes, I appreciate the clear explanation about economic substance vs. technical structure. It makes sense that the IRS would look beyond how you split up the invoices to what you're actually accomplishing with the project. I'm curious though - are there any legitimate ways to expense parts of a kitchen renovation project? For example, if I'm replacing cabinets but also doing some routine maintenance like fixing a leaky faucet or replacing worn cabinet handles, could those maintenance items be expensed separately since they're not part of the improvement itself? Also, when you mention this could be seen as "abusive tax avoidance" - what kind of penalties are we talking about if the IRS disagrees with how you've treated these expenses? I want to make sure I understand the real risks here.

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Laura Lopez

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation and had no idea about the online payment options. One thing I'm wondering about - when you make the initial 1040-V payment through IRS Direct Pay, does it automatically set up your monthly payments too, or do you have to manually make each monthly payment? Also, for anyone still struggling with this - I found that calling the IRS early in the morning (like right at 7 AM when they open) gives you a much better chance of getting through. I tried for days calling in the afternoon with no luck, but got through on my second try calling first thing in the morning. The agent was able to confirm my installment agreement was active and gave me all the payment details I needed. The key thing seems to be not waiting around for the mail - just start making payments as scheduled even without the official paperwork. Better safe than sorry when it comes to the IRS!

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Omar Zaki

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Great question about the payment setup! The initial 1040-V payment through IRS Direct Pay is just a one-time payment - it doesn't automatically set up your monthly payments. You'll need to manually make each monthly payment or set up automatic withdrawals separately through EFTPS or your IRS Online Account once it's fully processed. Your tip about calling early morning is spot on! I've found the same thing - calling right when they open gives you the best shot at actually reaching someone. The phone system seems to get overwhelmed pretty quickly as the day goes on. And you're absolutely right about not waiting for the paperwork. I made that mistake with my first installment agreement years ago and learned the hard way that the clock starts ticking as soon as your return is processed, not when you get the letter. The IRS really should make this clearer in their communications!

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Just wanted to chime in with my recent experience since I went through this exact same situation a few months ago! You absolutely can pay your 1040-V payment online - I used IRS Direct Pay and it was so much easier than dealing with checks and mail. Just make sure when you're on the Direct Pay site to select "Installment Agreement" as your payment reason and enter your SSN and other identifying info carefully so it gets applied correctly. For the timeline question - mine took about 6 weeks to get the official installment agreement letter, which was longer than I expected but seems pretty normal based on what others are saying here. The important thing is your agreement is already active in their system even without the paperwork. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: you can actually view your installment agreement details in your IRS Online Account once it's processed (took about 4-5 weeks in my case). It shows your payment schedule, remaining balance, and due dates. Way more convenient than waiting for paper statements in the mail. Don't stress too much about the delay - just make sure to start making payments according to the schedule you agreed to when you filed, even without the official letter. The IRS expects you to stick to those dates regardless of when their paperwork arrives!

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Dylan Wright

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This is super reassuring to hear from someone who just went through the same thing! I'm definitely going to use Direct Pay for my initial payment instead of waiting around with a check. Quick follow-up question - when you were making payments before getting the official letter, how did you know the exact amount to pay each month? Did you just go with the amount you originally agreed to when filing, or did you need to account for interest accumulating? I'm worried about underpaying accidentally and messing up my agreement. Also, thanks for the tip about the IRS Online Account showing the details eventually. I'll keep checking that instead of obsessively watching my mailbox every day!

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Be careful about one related issue! If any of your margin debt was used for anything other than buying securities that produce taxable income, that portion of interest isn't deductible. For example, if you withdrew cash from your margin account for personal expenses, bought tax-exempt municipal bonds, or purchased options (which sometimes don't count as producing investment income), the related interest might not be deductible.

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Mason Kaczka

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Wait does that mean margin interest from trading options isn't deductible?? I've been deducting that for years! Is there some irs document that specifies this?

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QuantumQuest

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@Mason Kaczka Options trading gets tricky for margin interest deductions. The key issue is whether the options generate investment "income as" defined by the IRS. If you re'buying options that expire worthless, those losses don t'count as investment income, so margin interest used to purchase them isn t'deductible. However, if you re'selling options and collecting premiums, or if you exercise options and sell the underlying stock for a gain, that typically does count as investment income. The IRS looks at the substance of the transaction, not just the instrument type. You might want to review Publication 550 Investment (Income and Expenses which) covers this in detail. If you ve'been deducting margin interest from options trading that didn t'generate investment income, you may need to file amended returns. Consider consulting a tax professional who specializes in trading taxes to review your specific situation.

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Lena Schultz

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One thing to keep in mind is that margin interest is only deductible in the year it's actually paid, not when it accrues. So make sure you're looking at the actual payments made in 2024, not just what accumulated on your account statement. Also, if you're planning to carry forward any unused investment interest expense to future years, remember that it maintains its character as investment interest expense. This means in future years, it will still be subject to the same net investment income limitation - it doesn't become a general deduction. For your Tesla situation specifically, since you're dealing with a single stock across multiple purchases, the IRS will view this as one investment activity. The fact that you sold only one batch doesn't limit your deduction to just that portion of the interest - you can deduct up to your total net investment income for the year, which sounds like it covers your full $67,500 in margin interest. Just make sure to complete Form 4952 properly and keep detailed records of all your margin account activity in case of any future questions.

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Mei Liu

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This is really helpful clarification! I hadn't considered the timing difference between when interest accrues vs when it's actually paid. My broker charges margin interest monthly, so I assume those monthly charges count as "paid" for that tax year? Also, just to make sure I understand the carryforward correctly - if I had $10,000 in unused investment interest expense from last year that I'm carrying forward, and this year I have $50,000 in net investment income, I could deduct both the carried forward amount plus up to $40,000 of this year's margin interest (totaling the $50,000 limit)? Or does the carryforward reduce how much current year interest I can deduct?

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Do I need to worry about state taxes with a 1099-NEC? My client is in a different state than where I live.

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Generally you pay state taxes where you performed the work, not where the client is located. So if you're working from your home in State A for a client in State B, you'd typically only file taxes in State A. However, some states have special rules, especially for higher income amounts. If Box 5-7 on your 1099-NEC are filled out indicating state tax withholding, you might need to file in multiple states. Might be worth consulting with a tax pro if that's your situation.

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PrinceJoe

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I went through this exact same confusion last year with my first 1099-NEC! The checked boxes can definitely be confusing when you're not familiar with the form. One thing that really helped me was taking a photo of the form with my phone so I could zoom in and see exactly which boxes were checked. Sometimes the printing quality makes it hard to tell which specific box has the mark. Also, if you're using TurboTax, it should walk you through each section of the 1099-NEC and ask you to enter the amounts from each box. Even if you can't tell which box is checked, entering the amounts from each box (most will be $0) should help the software figure out what you need to report. And yes, definitely start planning for quarterly payments next year! I learned that lesson the hard way when I got hit with underpayment penalties. The good news is that with $8,400 in income, your tax burden won't be too overwhelming, especially if you can deduct some business expenses.

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Don't forget to update your W-4 with your employer as soon as possible! I learned this lesson the hard way after my divorce.

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Emma Olsen

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Exactly this! I ended up owing over $2,300 because I didn't update my withholding after my divorce. Still paying it off on a payment plan with the IRS.

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Nia Jackson

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I'm going through a similar situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! Just wanted to add that if you're considering Head of Household status, make sure you understand the "more than half the year" requirement. Since you separated in March, you'll likely qualify if your kids have been living with you since then. But also remember that Head of Household requires that you paid more than half the cost of keeping up the home where your qualifying person lived. This includes things like rent/mortgage, utilities, food, and other household expenses - not just child support. The tax savings from HOH vs Single can be substantial, especially if you're in higher income brackets. It might be worth consulting with a tax professional to make sure you're maximizing all available benefits during this transition year.

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This is really helpful information! I hadn't thought about the "keeping up the home" requirement for Head of Household. Since I've been paying the mortgage and utilities since March when we separated, it sounds like I should qualify. Do you know if there's a specific percentage I need to have paid, or is it just "more than half"? Also, does it matter that my husband might have contributed to some household expenses earlier in the year before we separated?

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