


Ask the community...
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with the same confusion between security agreements and perfection methods. It's clear now that I was overthinking it - vehicles get perfected through title systems, not UCC filings. One follow-up question though: when you're drafting the vehicle security agreement itself, are there specific clauses or language that should reference the title perfection method? Or does the security agreement just create the interest and then you handle perfection separately through the DMV process?
Great question! In my experience, the security agreement should definitely reference the intended perfection method, even though they're separate steps. I usually include language like "Lender's security interest shall be perfected by notation of lien on the certificate of title" or something similar. This makes it clear to everyone involved how perfection will be handled and can help avoid confusion later. The agreement creates the interest, but specifying the perfection method helps ensure everyone's on the same page about the process. Some lenders also include timing requirements, like "borrower agrees to cooperate in obtaining lien notation within X days of loan closing.
Really appreciate everyone's insights here! I've been working in secured lending for a few years but vehicle security agreements always seemed to trip me up. The distinction between creating the security interest (through the agreement) and perfecting it (through title notation) is so much clearer now. I think what confused me initially was seeing "UCC" and "security agreement" used together in training materials, but not realizing that vehicles are the major exception to UCC perfection rules. Going to bookmark this thread for future reference - this is exactly the kind of practical guidance that's hard to find in textbooks!
Totally agree! I'm pretty new to this field and this thread has been a goldmine. The textbooks make it all sound so theoretical, but seeing real examples of how people have messed this up (like that story about filing UCC-1s for vehicles and losing the collateral) really drives home why getting the perfection method right matters so much. I'm definitely saving this discussion too. It's reassuring to know even experienced people sometimes get confused by the vehicle exception to UCC rules!
Bottom line: if you can pick it up and move it and it's not money, it's probably goods. Everything else falls into the other UCC categories. When in doubt, describe it broadly in your collateral schedule and let the lawyers sort out the nuances.
That's the practical approach but you still need to get the UCC-1 classification boxes right. Can't just check 'all of the above' and hope for the best.
One thing I always remind people is to think about the UCC's purpose - it's designed to give notice to other potential creditors about what's encumbered. So when you're on the fence about classification, ask yourself: would a reasonable searcher expect to find this type of collateral under the category you're using? For manufacturing companies like yours, I'd typically see a filing that covers both "goods" (for the equipment and inventory) and "general intangibles" (for the licenses and IP). The bolted-down equipment question is trickier - you might need to do a fixtures analysis or even consider a real estate filing depending on how integrated it is with the building. Better to over-secure than under-secure in my experience.
This is really helpful perspective - the "reasonable searcher" test makes a lot of sense for borderline cases. I hadn't thought about it from that angle before. For the bolted-down equipment, would you typically lean toward a fixture filing as additional protection, or is that overkill if the equipment could still be removed without major building damage?
Just a heads up - since you mentioned the deadline is Monday, make sure to check if the filing office is open and what their cutoff times are. Some county recorder offices have earlier deadlines on Mondays or reduced hours. Also, if you're filing electronically, verify the system will be available. I've seen people scramble at the last minute only to find the e-filing system was down for maintenance. With fixture filings being more complex, you don't want any last-minute surprises delaying your submission.
Great point about checking the filing office hours! I just called and they close at 4 PM on Mondays, which is earlier than I expected. Thanks for the reminder - I definitely don't want to be rushing around at the last minute with this complex filing.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of checking whether your state allows "after-acquired property" clauses in fixture filings. Since you're dealing with restaurant equipment, the debtor might be adding more fixtures over time as the business grows. If your state permits it, you might want to include language like "and all additions, accessions, replacements, and substitutions thereof" in your collateral description. This could save you from having to file amendments every time they bolt down a new piece of equipment. Just make sure your security agreement supports this broader coverage.
Just to close the loop on this - Delaware filing is definitely correct for your LLC debtor. File against the exact legal name from the Delaware Secretary of State records, include detailed equipment descriptions, and you should be good to go. The Texas location of the equipment doesn't affect filing jurisdiction for standard personal property.
One additional consideration for your Delaware filing - make sure to check if the LLC has any amendments or name changes since formation. I've seen cases where the current operating name differs from the original charter name, and you need to file against the exact legal name as registered with Delaware SOS. Also, with an $850K transaction, consider whether you want to include after-acquired property language in your collateral description to cover any future equipment purchases. This can provide additional security without needing separate filings later.
Great points about checking for amendments! I'm new to UCC filings and hadn't considered that the operating name might differ from the charter name. Is there a specific Delaware SOS database where you can verify the current exact legal name, or do you need to pull a certificate of good standing each time?
Sean O'Donnell
For anyone else dealing with aqua finance or other specialty lenders, always check for amendments before filing continuations or terminations. These lenders often update entity information during the loan term and that creates mismatches if you're not careful.
0 coins
Luca Esposito
•Yeah and borrowers in those industries tend to restructure or change entity types more frequently than regular commercial borrowers.
0 coins
Nia Thompson
•I'm bookmarking this thread. Super helpful breakdown of the termination process.
0 coins
Dmitry Ivanov
This is such a common pitfall with UCC terminations! I've learned to always do a comprehensive search for all UCC-1 amendments before filing any termination. One trick that's saved me time is to pull the entire UCC search report from the beginning - it shows the original filing plus all amendments in chronological order so you can see exactly how the debtor information evolved over the life of the financing. The final amended version is what needs to match your UCC-3 termination, not necessarily the original UCC-1. Glad you got it sorted out with the document checker tool - that sounds like a game changer for catching these discrepancies before filing.
0 coins