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One more thing - keep a copy of the filed UCC-3 termination for your records. Some auditors want to see proof that liens were properly released on paid-off loans. Documentation is key.
Smart practice. Shows you're on top of your compliance requirements.
This thread has been super helpful! As someone new to handling UCC releases, I was wondering - is there a standard timeframe for how long it takes for the UCC-3 termination to show up in the public records after filing? I want to be able to tell my borrower when they can expect to see the lien released if they check online.
Great question! From my experience, electronic filings usually show up in the public records within 1-2 business days, sometimes even same day depending on the state. Paper filings can take 1-2 weeks. Most Secretary of State websites have a UCC search function where you can check by filing number or debtor name to confirm it's been processed. I usually tell borrowers to check after 48 hours for electronic filings.
Have you considered that there might be multiple pieces of collateral with different classifications? Some equipment might qualify as fixtures while other pieces remain moveable. The Bank of Boston analysis might apply differently to each category of collateral.
Definitely analyze each piece separately. Priority rules can vary significantly between different types of collateral even within the same transaction.
This is getting complex fast. Make sure you document the analysis for each category clearly - courts hate when lawyers treat dissimilar collateral as one big group.
The Bank of Boston case really highlights how critical it is to get the technical details right in these priority disputes. From what you've described, it sounds like the competing creditor may have several potential weaknesses: (1) claiming fixture status without proper fixture filing procedures, (2) possible defects in their UCC-1 filing itself, and (3) potential timing issues with their PMSI claim. I'd suggest starting with a thorough review of their actual filing - check the debtor name against charter documents, verify the collateral description is sufficient, and confirm they met all technical requirements. If they're claiming PMSI priority on fixtures, they absolutely need to have filed properly in the real estate records within the required timeframe. The fact that they only filed a regular UCC-1 but are claiming fixture priority seems like a fundamental contradiction that could invalidate their entire position.
This is really helpful analysis! As someone new to UCC priority disputes, I'm learning a lot from this discussion. It sounds like there are multiple angles to attack their claim - the fixture filing issue seems particularly strong if they're trying to claim fixture priority without following proper fixture filing procedures. One question: if you find defects in their UCC-1 filing, does that completely void their security interest or just affect their priority position relative to other creditors?
Update us when you get the termination filed! Always curious to hear how these situations work out and whether the lender actually meets their timeline.
Will do! I'll post an update once the UCC-3 termination is filed and confirmed in the Delaware system.
Looking forward to hearing how it goes. These real-world timelines are helpful for others in similar situations.
Pro tip from someone who's been through this multiple times - create a simple tracking spreadsheet with key dates: loan payoff date, lender's promised filing date, actual filing date, and confirmation received date. This helps you stay organized and gives you clear documentation if you need to escalate with the lender or explain delays to your new financing source. Also, if your equipment is critical to operations, consider getting a letter from your current lender stating the loan is satisfied even before the UCC-3 is filed - some new lenders will accept this as interim documentation while waiting for the public record to update.
Perfect timing on this thread. I have a similar situation coming up next month with industrial bakery equipment. The ovens are basically built into the building structure so fixture filing makes sense. Glad to see the consensus on the approach.
Industrial ovens are definitely fixture territory. Just make sure you get detailed specs on what's actually attached vs what could be moved.
Bakery equipment can be tricky because some of it is mobile even if it's heavy. Focus on what's truly integrated into the building systems.
Just wanted to add from recent experience - when dealing with mixed collateral like this, I always recommend doing a site inspection with photos documenting exactly what equipment is permanently attached vs. what could potentially be moved. For your manufacturing facility, take pictures of the machinery foundations, electrical/plumbing connections, and any structural modifications made to accommodate the equipment. This documentation becomes invaluable if there's ever a dispute about what qualifies as fixtures vs. personal property. Also helps with insurance coverage determinations down the line. The visual evidence makes the fixture filing much more defensible if challenged.
This is excellent advice! Documentation is so crucial for fixture determinations. I'd also suggest getting an engineer's assessment if the equipment value is significant - having a professional opinion on the permanency of installation can really strengthen your position. For manufacturing equipment like this, the integration with utilities (electrical, gas, water, compressed air lines) is often what tips it into fixture territory. Photos of those connections are especially important since they show how removing the equipment would damage both the machinery and the building systems.
Sofia Gutierrez
One more tip - after you file the termination and get confirmation, do a follow-up UCC search in a few weeks to make sure it actually cleared from the records. I've heard of rare cases where terminations were accepted but didn't properly update the database for some reason.
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Ethan Wilson
•Smart to do that verification search. That's actually another thing Certana.ai's tool is useful for - you can upload your termination confirmation along with a current UCC search to verify everything processed correctly and the records are clean.
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Sofia Gutierrez
•Exactly. It's that final peace of mind that everything was handled properly. Better safe than sorry with UCC filings.
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Mateo Silva
Great thread everyone! Just to add one more practical tip - when you're gathering all the documents for your UCC termination, create a simple checklist to make sure you have everything: 1) Copy of original UCC-1 filing (get this from state records if needed), 2) Lender's satisfaction letter or authorization, 3) Loan payoff documentation, and 4) Completed UCC-3 termination form. Having everything organized upfront will save you time and reduce the chance of errors. Also, if you're working with an attorney on this, ask them to walk you through the process once - it's simpler than it seems and good knowledge to have for future deals.
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Harper Collins
•This checklist is super helpful! As someone new to UCC filings, I really appreciate having a clear step-by-step approach. One question - when you mention getting the original UCC-1 from state records, is there usually a fee for that search/copy, or is it typically free to access online?
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