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I'm so sorry for your loss, Mateo. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and navigating Social Security on top of grief can feel overwhelming. I went through something similar when my husband passed three years ago. The information you're getting here is spot-on - that SSA rep definitely gave you incomplete information. You absolutely ARE entitled to your husband's higher benefit amount as a survivor! One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: make sure to ask SSA for your complete benefit estimates in writing. When I finally got through to a knowledgeable representative, they provided me with a detailed breakdown showing: - My own benefit at different claiming ages - My survivor benefit amount - Projections for both strategies (claim survivor first vs. claim own first) This written comparison made it so much clearer which approach would give me the most money over my lifetime. In my case, I'm planning to take survivor benefits at my FRA (66+4mo) and then switch to my own at 70 since mine will be about $200/month higher. Don't let that first phone call discourage you - keep pushing for the information you need. You've worked hard and deserve every benefit you're entitled to receive.
Thank you so much for the kind words and practical advice, Molly. It really helps to hear from someone who's been through this process. Getting everything in writing sounds like a smart approach - I've been trying to keep notes from my phone calls, but having official estimates would be much better for comparison. That $200/month difference between your survivor benefit and your own benefit at 70 really shows how important it is to run the actual numbers rather than just guessing. I'm definitely going to push for those detailed projections when I schedule my appointment with a claims specialist. It's frustrating that we have to become experts on this stuff during such a difficult time, but I'm grateful for communities like this where people share their real experiences.
I'm really sorry for your loss, Mateo. Dealing with Social Security after losing a spouse is incredibly stressful when you're already grieving. The advice you're getting here is excellent - that SSA rep definitely didn't give you the full picture. I work as a benefits counselor and see this confusion all the time. Here's what I tell clients in your situation: You have THREE key decision points: 1. Age 60-FRA: Reduced survivor benefits with earnings test 2. Your FRA: Full survivor benefits with NO earnings limit 3. Age 70: Maximum personal retirement benefit The "restricted application" strategy others mentioned is huge for widows. Since you're still working full-time, claiming survivor benefits at your FRA while letting your own benefit grow until 70 is often the optimal approach. One tip: when you meet with the SSA specialist, ask them to show you the "break-even analysis" - the age at which your cumulative lifetime benefits would be higher under each strategy. This helps you see the long-term financial impact of your decision. Also, don't forget that survivor benefits aren't taxed the same way as regular retirement benefits if you have other income. This can affect your overall tax planning. The fact that you're asking these questions now at 60 puts you in a great position to maximize your benefits. Take your time to understand all your options before deciding.
Thank you for this professional perspective, Payton. The break-even analysis sounds really valuable - I hadn't thought about looking at it from a lifetime benefits standpoint. That could help me feel more confident about whichever decision I make. I'm also glad you mentioned the tax implications. With my full-time income, I'm definitely going to need to factor in how different benefit timing affects my overall tax situation. It sounds like there are even more layers to consider than I initially realized. The restricted application strategy really does seem like it could be perfect for my situation. Being able to claim the survivor benefits at my FRA while still working, then switching to my maximized personal benefit at 70 - it feels like the best of both worlds compared to waiting until 70 to get anything at all. I really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences here. It's making me feel much more prepared to have that conversation with a specialist.
Just to add one more thing - I would recommend applying for your benefits 3-4 months before you want them to start. That gives SSA plenty of time to process everything, including any potential spousal adjustment for your husband. With their current backlogs, the earlier you apply (within their allowed timeframe), the better!
Does anyone know if the firefighter pension affects this at all? My neighbor was saying something about GPO being different from WEP and that first responder pensions sometimes mess up spousal benefits completely
Great question! Yes, GPO (Government Pension Offset) is different from WEP and specifically affects spousal and survivor benefits. If the OP's husband receives a pension from a government job where he didn't pay Social Security taxes (some firefighter positions are like this, others aren't), then the GPO could reduce his spousal benefits by two-thirds of his government pension amount. In some cases, this can eliminate the spousal benefit entirely. However, if his firefighter position was covered by Social Security (meaning SS taxes were withheld from his paychecks), then GPO wouldn't apply. OP - you might want to check whether your husband's firefighter position was "covered" or "non-covered" employment for Social Security purposes, as this makes a big difference.
After thinking about your situation more, I recalled another possibility: if your husband took reduced retirement benefits first and then later qualified for SSDI, his disability benefit would have included both his reduced retirement benefit PLUS an additional amount to bring it up to the full disability rate. When he reaches FRA, the additional amount stops, and he goes back to just his reduced retirement amount. This scenario would explain the significant drop. Did he by chance apply for early retirement before being approved for disability?
YES! That's exactly what happened! He took early retirement at 62 and then about 9 months later was approved for SSDI. So they increased his payment at that point. I had completely forgotten about that sequence of events. That explains why it's dropping back down now. Thank you so much for helping me figure this out!
Glad you figured it out! This is a perfect example of why it's important to understand how the original benefit was calculated. When someone takes early retirement and then qualifies for SSDI, they receive their reduced retirement benefit plus an additional amount to reach the full disability benefit level. At FRA, they return to their original reduced retirement amount plus any COLAs. For others reading this thread: this is why claiming strategy and timing matters so much with Social Security benefits. Taking early retirement can have long-term impacts even if you later qualify for disability.
Generally, if you think you might qualify for disability, it's better to apply for SSDI first rather than taking early retirement. However, each situation is unique based on your health, financial needs, and work history. The key takeaway is that these decisions can have long-term impacts on your benefit amounts.
@Lauren Zeb It s'definitely a complex situation! The general rule is that if you re'considering disability benefits, it s'usually better to apply for SSDI before taking early retirement. But like Anthony said, every case is different. If you re'dealing with a serious health condition and need income immediately, sometimes early retirement might be the only option while you wait for a disability decision which (can take months or even years .)The important thing is to understand the long-term implications before making the choice. You might want to consult with a Social Security disability attorney if you re'facing this decision - many offer free consultations.
tell her to watch out for ELDER ABUSE too!!! financial threats against seniors is considered elder abuse in texas!!! if hes threatening her ss money she could report him!
I'm new to this community but wanted to share some additional resources that might help your sister. The National Domestic Violence Hotline (1-800-799-7233) has financial abuse specialists who can provide guidance on protecting assets during separation. They're available 24/7 and have experience with Social Security protection issues. Also, Texas has a Legal Aid hotline (1-833-457-5342) that provides free legal advice for low-income seniors. Since your sister is 68 and living solely on Social Security, she likely qualifies for their services. The threats sound like intimidation tactics, but having professional support can give her confidence and concrete steps to protect herself. Document everything he says about taking her money - text messages, emails, even notes about verbal threats with dates and times. This creates a paper trail if she needs legal protection later. Stay strong and keep advocating for her!
Freya Larsen
Based on everything discussed, here's what appears to be your best strategy given your situation: 1. Continue working and wait until your FRA to claim survivor benefits (you'll get 100% of your wife's PIA) 2. At age 70, switch to your own retirement benefit (which will have grown by 8% per year from your FRA to age 70) This approach avoids the earnings test completely and maximizes your lifetime benefits. The survivor benefit will provide income from your FRA until 70, and then your maximized retirement benefit takes over from 70 onwards. It's worth having a personalized analysis done. You might consider scheduling an appointment with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security strategies or with an SSA representative directly to confirm this is optimal for your specific situation.
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NebulaNinja
•Thank you so much for this clear strategy. I'll definitely follow this advice and also try to get an appointment with SSA to confirm the details for my specific case. This forum has been incredibly helpful!
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AstroAlpha
I'm sorry for your loss. This is a really complex situation that many widowers face. Based on what others have shared, it sounds like waiting until your FRA is the smart move given your income level. One thing I'd add is that you might want to check what your wife's actual benefit amount would be at her FRA versus what your own benefit would be at age 70. Sometimes people assume the survivor benefit is always the better choice, but if you had significantly higher earnings than your wife, your own delayed retirement benefit at 70 could be substantially higher. The SSA website has benefit calculators that can help you estimate both amounts. Also, don't forget that as a widower, you may be eligible for other benefits or tax considerations that could help with those medical bills you mentioned.
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