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btw make sure when you DO file that you do it online if possible! the SS offices are still backed up from covid and appointments take FOREVER to get. online was super easy for me took like 30 min tops
One more consideration since you mentioned you worked for state government: If any of your state employment wasn't covered by Social Security (common for some state/local government jobs), you might be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO). These could affect your Social Security benefit calculations. Worth checking if this applies to your situation before filing.
Oh! That's a critical point. I did work for about 12 years in a position that was under our state's pension system instead of Social Security. I'll definitely need to factor in the WEP in my planning. Thank you for bringing this up - might change the calculations significantly.
@7c47d0ab2c9a The WEP can definitely have a significant impact! Since you mentioned 12 years in non-SS covered employment, you'll want to use the WEP calculator on the SSA website to see how it affects your benefit estimate. The reduction depends on your "years of substantial earnings" under Social Security - if you have 30+ years, there's no WEP reduction, but with fewer years the reduction increases. This could potentially make the spousal benefit option more relevant to your situation, so definitely worth calculating both scenarios with WEP applied before making your final decision.
Thank you all for the helpful information! I just checked my Social Security statement online and it does show earnings for all my years of work including my FERS time, which confirms what many of you have said about paying into the system during that time. I'm relieved to know that WEP probably won't affect me much since I was in FERS. I'm going to try to schedule an appointment with SSA to get the exact calculations. If I can't get through on the phone, I'll try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. One more question - does anyone know if any of this affects when I should start taking my Social Security benefits? I'll be 63 next year when I retire, but wondering if I should wait until my full retirement age or even 70?
That's a great question about timing! The decision of when to claim Social Security is complex and very personal. For every year you delay claiming beyond full retirement age (which is likely 66-67 for you), you get approximately an 8% increase in benefits up until age 70. That's a guaranteed return you can't get anywhere else! Since you'll have your FERS pension providing guaranteed income, you might be in a good position to delay Social Security if you can afford to. This can be especially valuable if you expect to have a long lifespan or if you're the higher earner in a marriage (as it would maximize potential survivor benefits for your spouse). But there are many factors to consider including your health, other income sources, tax situation, and immediate needs. I'd suggest consulting with a financial advisor who has experience with federal employees to run some numbers specific to your situation.
As someone who went through a similar transition (federal service to private sector), I can confirm what others have said about FERS not being affected by WEP the same way CSRS is. However, I'd also recommend looking into whether you qualify for the "special retirement supplement" (SRS) if you retire before age 62. Since you have 23 years of FERS service, you might be eligible for this temporary payment that bridges the gap until you can claim Social Security at 62. The SRS is designed to approximate what your Social Security benefit would be based on your federal service alone, and it can provide valuable income during those early retirement years. Just something else to factor into your retirement planning timeline!
That's really helpful information about the SRS! I hadn't heard of the special retirement supplement before. Do you know what the eligibility requirements are beyond the years of service? Since I'm planning to retire at 63, this could definitely help bridge that gap until I can claim Social Security at 62... wait, that doesn't sound right. Can you clarify - I thought you had to be at least 62 to claim Social Security, so how would the SRS work if I retire at 63?
Based on what you've described, your best strategy is likely to focus on your own benefit. Since it will be higher than your potential spousal benefit (50% of your husband's FRA amount), you'll want to consider whether to take your own benefit early at 62 (with a permanent reduction) or wait until your Full Retirement Age (67) or even age 70 (for maximum benefits). Each year you delay claiming from 62 to 70 increases your benefit by approximately 8%, which is a guaranteed return that's hard to beat elsewhere. But of course, that depends on your health, financial needs, and other retirement income sources. And as others mentioned, definitely account for any potential WEP/GPO impacts in your calculations.
This makes sense - thank you for laying it out so clearly! I think I understand the rules better now. I was confused about the survivor vs. spousal benefits and what age applies to each. Sounds like my best bet is to just focus on maximizing my own benefit since it will be higher than any spousal benefit I could receive. I appreciate everyone's help!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to look into whether your husband has enough quarters of coverage under Social Security to even qualify for benefits. Since he's been primarily in a teaching system that doesn't pay into SS, he may not have the required 40 quarters (10 years) of covered employment to be eligible for Social Security benefits at all. If he doesn't qualify for his own SS benefit, then there wouldn't be any spousal benefit for you to claim from his record anyway. You'd only be eligible for survivor benefits if he passes away and had enough work credits. This could actually simplify your planning since you'd just focus entirely on optimizing your own benefit timing. You can check his coverage by looking at his Social Security Statement online - it will show exactly how many quarters he has earned under the SS system.
That's a really good point I hadn't considered! You're absolutely right - if he doesn't have the 40 quarters, there wouldn't be any spousal benefits available from his record anyway. That would definitely simplify things. I'll make sure to check his SS statement to see exactly how many quarters he's earned. Thanks for bringing this up - it could save me a lot of unnecessary planning around benefits that might not even exist!
To simplify what's been said and clarify a key point: if you wait until August 2025 (your FRA month) to START collecting Social Security benefits, then: 1. Your January-July 2025 earnings won't affect your benefits at all, regardless of amount 2. From August onward, you can earn unlimited income with no benefit reduction The earnings test only applies when you're actually receiving benefits before FRA. Since you're planning to start benefits exactly at your FRA month, the earnings test essentially doesn't apply to your situation at all. This is one of the advantages of waiting until exactly your FRA month to start benefits.
Just wanted to add one more consideration for your consulting work - make sure you're properly set up for self-employment taxes! Since you'll be earning $3k+ monthly from consulting, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. The IRS generally expects payments if you'll owe $1,000 or more in taxes. Also, don't forget that as a consultant you'll be paying both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (15.3% total), though you can deduct half of this on your tax return. This is separate from the Social Security earnings test discussion but important for your overall financial planning. Good luck with the transition to consulting - sounds like you've got the Social Security timing figured out perfectly!
This is such helpful advice! I hadn't really thought through all the self-employment tax implications yet. Since I'm used to having taxes automatically withheld from my corporate salary, the quarterly payments will definitely be a new process for me. Do you happen to know if there are any good resources for first-time consultants to figure out the estimated payment amounts? I want to make sure I don't get hit with penalties in my first year of consulting.
QuantumQueen
Thank you all for the helpful advice! I think we're going to start with the online application but make sure to explicitly mention the spousal benefits in the remarks section. Then we'll follow up with a phone call to confirm everything is being processed correctly. If we run into trouble getting through on the phone, I might try that Claimyr service that someone mentioned. It's reassuring to hear from people who've been through similar situations. I'll update this thread once we get everything sorted out in case it helps someone else down the road. I really appreciate all your insights!
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Ravi Gupta
Good luck with your application! Just wanted to add one more tip - when you do the online application, take screenshots of each page as you go through it. I learned this the hard way when my mom applied and we had questions later about what she had entered. Having those screenshots saved us a lot of confusion when we needed to reference her original answers during a follow-up call. Also, if you do end up needing to call, try calling right when they open at 8am - the wait times are usually much shorter first thing in the morning. Hope everything goes smoothly for you and your wife!
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Liam Sullivan
•That's such great advice about taking screenshots! I never would have thought of that but it makes total sense - you never know what questions might come up later. And thanks for the tip about calling at 8am. I'm definitely not a morning person but if it means avoiding those horror stories about being on hold for hours, I'll set my alarm early. Really appreciate you sharing your mom's experience!
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