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After reading through this thread, I want to offer some additional information that might help with your decision: 1. You can request a detailed benefit calculation from SSA that will show exactly what your benefit would be at 62, FRA, and 70, as well as what your husband's spousal benefit would be once you file. 2. Remember that if you file at 62, your benefit will be reduced by approximately 30% from your FRA amount for life. 3. If your husband is receiving $625/month now, and your FRA benefit would be around $3,400, then his spousal benefit would potentially increase his total to around $1,700 (half your FRA amount). 4. This means filing at 62 could give him an additional $1,075/month, but would permanently reduce your own benefit by about $1,000/month compared to what you'd get at FRA. 5. The breakeven calculation should consider both your life expectancies and immediate financial needs. Have you considered whether you might work part-time between 62-67? If you claim benefits early but continue working, you'd be subject to the earnings test, which could temporarily reduce or eliminate your benefits until you reach FRA.
Thank you so much for this detailed information! I hadn't even considered the earnings test. I definitely plan to keep working until at least 65, possibly longer. So if I understand correctly, if I filed at 62 but kept working at my current salary, I might not even receive benefits until FRA anyway because of the earnings limit? I think I really need to get those exact calculations from SSA. Based on everything everyone has shared, I'm leaning toward waiting at least until my FRA to file, maybe even 70 depending on our financial situation and my husband's health in the coming years. It sounds like filing at 62 would only make sense if: 1. My husband lives for several more years to collect the increased spousal amount 2. I wasn't planning to work past 62 (which I am) 3. I had reason to believe my own life expectancy was shorter than average None of those really apply to us, so waiting is probably the smarter move financially.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to consider a "file and suspend" strategy if it's still available, though I believe the rules changed in 2016. Also, since you're still 5 years away from 62, you have time to potentially increase your benefit even more by maximizing your earnings in these final working years. Social Security calculates benefits based on your highest 35 years of earnings, so if you're earning more now than in some of your earlier years, these next 5 years could significantly boost your eventual benefit. Another consideration: have you looked into whether your husband might be eligible for any other benefits? Sometimes people miss out on things like supplemental security income (SSI) if their regular Social Security is very low, though I'm not sure if his pension would disqualify him. Given that you're planning to work until 65+ anyway and would be subject to the earnings test, waiting definitely seems like the right call. The extra spousal benefit for a few years likely won't offset the permanent reduction to your own benefit that you'd be receiving for potentially 25+ years.
Just to clarify - the "file and suspend" strategy was eliminated in April 2016, so it's no longer available. That was a strategy where someone could file for benefits to trigger spousal benefits for their spouse, then immediately suspend their own benefits to earn delayed retirement credits. You're absolutely right about maximizing earnings in these final years though! Since Social Security uses your highest 35 years of inflation-adjusted earnings, if you're earning more now than you were earlier in your career, these next few years could really boost your benefit calculation. And great point about SSI - though with a pension plus $625 in Social Security, the husband probably wouldn't qualify since SSI has pretty strict income and asset limits. But it's always worth checking if someone has very low total income. The math really does seem to favor waiting in this situation, especially with the earnings test complication if filing early while still working.
I work as a benefits counselor and can confirm what others have said - IRA contributions absolutely DO count toward the Social Security earnings limit. The SSA uses your gross wages (before any deductions) to calculate whether you've exceeded the annual limit. One additional tip I always give clients in your situation: consider asking your employer if they can structure your compensation differently. For example, if they were planning to give you a small raise, you might ask them to contribute that amount to a workplace retirement plan instead (if available) OR provide non-cash benefits like additional health coverage. While retirement contributions still count as earnings, some employer-provided benefits might not. Also, double-check that you're using the correct earnings limit. Since you're 63 and won't reach Full Retirement Age until later, you're subject to the lower annual limit ($22,320 for 2025). The year you reach FRA, there's a higher monthly limit that applies only to earnings before the month you reach FRA. Keep excellent records of all your earnings throughout the year - it will save you headaches later!
This is incredibly helpful information! As someone new to navigating Social Security benefits, I really appreciate the professional perspective. The idea about asking my employer to structure compensation differently is interesting - I hadn't considered that approach. My company does offer some additional health benefits that I declined when I went part-time, so maybe I could explore that option. The clarification about the different limits depending on when you reach FRA is also really valuable. I'll make sure I'm tracking against the right threshold. Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise - it's exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping to find!
As someone who just went through this process at age 62, I can confirm what everyone else is saying - IRA contributions definitely count toward your earnings limit. I learned this the hard way when I was trying to maximize my retirement savings while working part-time. What I found helpful was setting up a simple spreadsheet to track my year-to-date earnings every month. I included columns for gross pay, cumulative total, and how much "room" I had left before hitting the $22,320 limit. This helped me make informed decisions about picking up extra hours or saying no to overtime. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: if you're close to the limit near the end of the year, you might want to consider taking unpaid time off rather than risk going over. The penalties for exceeding the limit can really hurt your monthly benefit payments. Also, don't forget that investment income (like dividends or interest from your IRA) doesn't count toward the earnings test - only wages and self-employment income do. That might give you some additional flexibility for your financial planning. Good luck navigating this - it's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of early retirement benefits!
This is such practical advice! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up. I never thought about taking unpaid time off if I get close to the limit, but that makes perfect sense rather than risking the penalties. The clarification about investment income not counting is really helpful too. I was wondering about that since I do have some dividend income from my regular investment accounts. It's good to know that only earned income (wages/self-employment) counts toward the test. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - it's so much more helpful than trying to decode the official SSA publications!
wait i just rememebred my cousin's husband did something with his pension and military time??? i think he got some kind of exception because he was in the military before being a firefighter? maybe theres exceptions for some people??
That's likely related to military service credit being used to increase a pension amount, which is different from the GPO issue. Military service has some special provisions, but they don't generally create exemptions from WEP/GPO unless the military service was before 1957 or meets very specific criteria. It's always worth checking individual circumstances though!
Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this exact decision two years ago. I was a teacher in California for 28 years and faced the same GPO situation with my husband's Social Security. We ultimately decided to take the monthly pension instead of the lump sum, and here's why: even though the GPO reduces my spousal benefits, the guaranteed monthly income from the pension provides more security than trying to manage a large lump sum in this volatile market. The peace of mind knowing we have that steady income stream has been worth more than any potential investment gains. Plus, our pension has COLA adjustments which helps with inflation - something you lose with a lump sum. The GPO is frustrating but it's just one factor in a much bigger retirement picture.
Thanks for sharing your real experience with this decision! It's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through it. The point about COLA adjustments is something I hadn't fully considered - that's a huge advantage over a lump sum that could get eaten away by inflation over time. We're leaning toward the monthly pension too, especially after hearing everyone confirm there's no GPO workaround. The guaranteed income does seem more valuable than trying to beat the market with a lump sum, particularly given how uncertain everything has been lately.
Just wondering... have u checked what ur survivors benefit would be if ur ex passes away? That's different from the ex-spouse benefit while he's alive. If he dies, u can get his FULL benefit amount (what he would get at his FRA) if that's more than your own. My mom got my dad's full benefit after he passed even though they were divorced.
One thing that might help you decide on timing is to create a break-even analysis. If you take $1,400/month at 62 versus waiting for $2,000/month at 67, you'd collect $84K over those 5 years ($1,400 x 60 months). After age 67, you'd need about 11.5 years (until age 78.5) to make up that difference with the higher monthly payments. Given average life expectancy and your health concerns, this math might actually favor taking benefits earlier in your case. You could also consider working part-time after 62 if possible - you can earn up to about $22K annually without affecting your SS benefits. Just make sure to factor in Medicare costs starting at 65 if you retire before then.
This break-even analysis is really helpful! I never thought to calculate it this way. The 11.5 years to break even puts it right around my late 70s, which honestly makes taking benefits at 62 seem more reasonable given my health concerns. The part-time work option is interesting too - I didn't realize I could earn up to $22K without it affecting my benefits. That could really make the difference in making early retirement work financially. Do you know if that earnings limit applies just to the year I turn 62, or every year until I reach full retirement age?
Millie Long
Definitely contact the SSA directly. I've found the SSA agents to be very knowledgeable and helpful once you actually get to speak with one. They'll need your husband's SSN and earnings history to give you an accurate estimate. Since it's been quite a while since his passing, having his SSN and death certificate information handy when you call will speed things up.
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Ethan Moore
I'm in a similar situation - widow at 58 and trying to plan ahead. One thing I learned from my research is that you might also want to check if you're eligible for any divorced spouse benefits if you were married to anyone else for 10+ years before your husband. Sometimes people don't realize they have multiple options to consider. Also, when you do call SSA, ask them to run scenarios for you at different claiming ages (60, 62, your FRA, etc.) and get those numbers in writing if possible. I've heard stories of people getting different answers from different representatives, so having documentation helps. The representatives are usually very patient about explaining the calculations if you ask them to walk through it step by step. Good luck with getting through to them - the wait times can be brutal but it's worth it for accurate numbers for your planning!
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