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just wondering have u talked to ur mom about this yet?? my grandma got SUPER upset when we suggested someone else handle my uncle's benefits. she took it as us saying she was incompetent even tho she totally was making mistakes

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That's exactly what I'm worried about. I haven't directly suggested it yet because Mom has always been so proud of handling this responsibility. I'm trying to figure out the most sensitive way to approach it. Did your family find a good way to have that conversation with your grandma?

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honestly not really lol. it got ugly for a while but we had her doctor talk to her about it which helped some. maybe try making it about helping HER not about taking something away?? like "mom I want to take this burden off your plate" not "you cant do this anymore

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I'm going through something similar with my elderly father who's been my disabled sister's payee for years. What helped me was framing the conversation around "sharing the load" rather than taking over completely. I started by asking Mom if she'd like me to help with some of the paperwork since I'm already handling the online banking anyway. Once she seemed comfortable with that idea, I suggested we visit the SSA office together to add me as a backup or co-payee (though I learned later that's not really how it works - there can only be one official payee). But it got the conversation started in a non-threatening way. The key was emphasizing that I wanted to help HER, not replace her. I also mentioned how much easier it would be for me to handle everything from one location rather than coordinating across the country. She eventually agreed it made sense, especially when I pointed out that if something happened to her suddenly, my sister would be left without access to her benefits. One thing that really helped was having her doctor's office social worker explain to Mom that planning for these transitions is just good caregiving, not admitting defeat. Sometimes hearing it from a professional makes it less personal.

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Mia Green

My mom just got on Medicare last year and she was shocked by how the system works. She thought SS benefits would just keep up with inflation automatically but now she's learning that's not really how it works in practice. Has anyone found good ways to budget with such uncertainty around these annual changes?

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I've started keeping a separate emergency fund specifically for healthcare cost increases. I put aside a little bit whenever I can, assuming my out-of-pocket costs will go up by at least 5% each year (even with Medicare). It's not perfect, but it helps me not panic with each annual announcement.

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I've been following this issue closely since I'm also on a fixed income. From what I've read, the 2025 COLA will likely be in the 2.5-3% range based on current inflation trends, but Medicare Part B premiums could easily eat up half or more of that increase. What really bothers me is that they don't coordinate the announcements better. We get excited about the COLA in October, then get hit with the Medicare premium news in November. It would be so much more helpful if they released both numbers at the same time so we could see the real net impact on our budgets. I've started planning for worst case scenario - assume minimal net increase after Medicare adjustments and budget accordingly. It's depressing but at least there are no surprises that way!

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One thing to know is that withholding changes can actually be made a few different ways: 1. You can submit a W-4V form by mail or at a local office 2. You can request the change through your MySocialSecurity account online 3. A legal garnishment order can be applied (tax levy, child support, etc.) 4. Medicare premium changes can affect your net payment If someone accessed your online account, definitely report that as potential identity theft. SSA can see the IP address of whoever made the change. If it was a simple mistake, they can usually fix it within one payment cycle. Please update us when you get this resolved! It would help others who might face the same issue.

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Thanks for breaking this down so clearly! I finally was able to speak with someone at my local office today. Turns out it WAS an error on their end - somehow they applied a withholding change request from another beneficiary to my account (someone with a similar name/number). They're fixing it and said I should get the difference returned in my next month's payment. What a relief!

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That's such great news Grace! What a relief it must be to get that sorted out. It's scary how easily administrative errors like that can happen - mixing up accounts because of similar names/numbers. Thanks for updating us on the resolution! This will definitely help other people who might face the same situation know that persistence pays off and that these errors can be fixed.

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Wow, I'm so glad you got this resolved Grace! This is exactly why I always tell people not to give up when dealing with SSA - these administrative mix-ups happen more often than they should. It's honestly pretty concerning that they can accidentally apply one person's withholding request to someone else's account just because of similar names or numbers. Makes me wonder how often this happens without people noticing right away. Thank you for following up with the resolution - it's really helpful to know that local offices can fix these errors and get the money returned relatively quickly. I'm definitely saving this thread in case I ever run into something similar!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to receiving Social Security benefits and stories like this make me realize I need to be way more vigilant about checking my payments each month. It's honestly pretty alarming that mix-ups like this can happen so easily in their system. Grace, I'm so glad you were persistent and got it figured out! Do you have any tips for new beneficiaries on what to watch out for or how often we should be checking our accounts?

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I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm in a similar situation - lost my husband at 64 two years ago and I'm now 59. I've been researching this exact strategy and wanted to share what I've learned from meeting with SSA and a financial planner. The key thing I discovered is that even if most of your survivor benefit gets withheld due to the earnings test, you're still establishing your "benefit start date" at 60. This matters because any benefits withheld get added back to your monthly payment once you hit your FRA, essentially giving you a permanent increase. Also, make sure to factor in Medicare timing. If you're planning to work until 65, you'll want to coordinate when to apply for Medicare Part A (which is automatic if you're receiving SS benefits) versus staying on your employer's health plan. One practical tip: I set up a my Social Security account online and requested my benefit estimates there. Much easier than calling! The survivor benefit estimate tool is pretty accurate once you input your husband's earnings record. Have you thought about doing a "practice run" with reduced hours when you turn 60 to see how the earnings test affects you in real time? That's what I'm considering.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and research - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight I was hoping for! I hadn't considered the "benefit start date" aspect and how the withheld benefits get added back as a permanent increase. That makes the strategy seem much more worthwhile even with the earnings test. The Medicare coordination is something I definitely need to research more. I have excellent health insurance through my employer right now, so I'll need to figure out the timing there. I love the idea of doing a "practice run" with reduced hours! That's brilliant - it would let me see the actual numbers in action rather than just trying to estimate. Did you end up trying this approach? And how accurate did you find the online benefit estimates compared to what SSA told you directly? I'm definitely going to set up that online account this week. Sounds much better than the phone horror stories everyone's sharing here!

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I'm really sorry for your loss. I went through something very similar when my wife passed at 58 and I was 61. Just wanted to share a few things I learned that might help: First, definitely apply for the survivor benefits at 60 even if you're working. Yes, the earnings test will reduce what you receive, but like others mentioned, those "lost" benefits aren't really lost - they get added back to your monthly amount when you reach FRA. Plus you're locking in your filing date which matters for the calculations. One thing I wish I'd known earlier - you can actually withdraw your application within 12 months if you change your mind about the strategy. It's called a "withdrawal of application" and you'd have to pay back what you received, but it gives you flexibility if your work situation changes. Also, don't forget about the lump sum death benefit ($255) if you haven't claimed it yet. It's not much but every bit helps during this difficult time. The online tools at ssa.gov have gotten much better in recent years. The benefit calculators there gave me pretty accurate estimates, and you can model different scenarios without having to call and wait on hold for hours. Hang in there - navigating all this paperwork and financial planning while grieving is exhausting, but you're asking all the right questions.

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Thank you for sharing your experience and for the kind words. I'm sorry for the loss of your wife as well - it's comforting to hear from someone who's been through this process. The withdrawal option is something I hadn't heard about before - that's really valuable to know! Having that 12-month flexibility could be a game-changer if my work situation changes unexpectedly or if I find the earnings test impact is worse than anticipated. I actually completely forgot about the lump sum death benefit. I was so focused on the long-term strategy that I missed that immediate step. Thank you for the reminder! It's reassuring to hear the online tools have improved. After reading about everyone's phone experiences here, I'm definitely going to start with the online calculators and my SSA account rather than trying to call. You're absolutely right about how exhausting this all is. Some days I feel like I need a PhD in Social Security just to make basic decisions! But this community has been incredibly helpful in breaking it all down into manageable pieces.

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Mei Liu

My aunt went thru something similar with federal workers comp after my uncle died. The WC people kept talking about "retirement age" but what they really meant was that the CALCULATION for the offset changes, not that your benefits automatically switch to something else. Its super confusing and the WC people dont explain it very well!!! Your survivor benefits keep going as long as you dont remarry (at least that was true for my aunt).

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That's good to know about the calculation changing rather than the benefits switching! And yes, I was told the same about remarriage affecting survivor benefits. I wish they would explain these things more clearly upfront.

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I'm in a similar situation but just starting this process - my husband was also a federal employee who passed from work-related injuries. I'm not yet at the age to collect survivor benefits, but reading through all these responses is really eye-opening about how complicated the interaction between Workers' Comp and Social Security can be. It sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) Survivor benefits don't automatically convert to retirement benefits at any age, 2) The Workers' Comp offset calculation method changes at retirement eligibility age (not the benefits themselves), and 3) Getting everything in writing from both SSA and OWCP is crucial because phone representatives often give inconsistent information. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so hard to find elsewhere. I'm going to save this thread to reference when I get closer to filing for my benefits.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Going through this process while grieving is incredibly difficult. You've summarized the key points perfectly - those three takeaways are exactly what I wish someone had told me from the beginning! One additional tip from my experience: when you do start the process, try to get appointments rather than relying on phone calls. The in-person meetings at both SSA and with Workers' Comp tend to be more thorough and you can ask them to print out information on the spot. Also, don't hesitate to ask for supervisors if the first person you talk to seems uncertain - I learned this the hard way after getting conflicting information multiple times. This community has been such a lifesaver for navigating all these complicated rules. Wishing you strength as you work through this process when the time comes.

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