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Have you spoken with anyone at CalSTRS about this? When my mother-in-law went through something similar (CA teacher, husband died), a CalSTRS counselor helped her understand all the implications and provided some resources. They can't change the federal law, but they're often more knowledgeable about how it intersects with their pension system than general SSA reps are.
I'm so sorry for your loss and for this additional financial stress during an already difficult time. The GPO situation is unfortunately very real and affects thousands of educators and other public servants. One thing that might help: consider contacting your congressional representatives about this issue. While previous legislation hasn't passed, there's often renewed interest in WEP/GPO reform, especially when constituents share their personal stories. The National Education Association and other teacher unions also maintain advocacy efforts around this issue and might have resources or updates on current legislative efforts. It won't help immediately, but your voice could contribute to future change for others in similar situations.
wait does this new law help people who worked in jobs with pensions AND had some social security covered jobs? my dad worked for the post office for 25 years but also had enough social security credits from earlier jobs but got his SS benefit reduced because of WEP
Yes! The Social Security Fairness Act will help your dad too. It phases out the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) over the same 5-year period (2025-2029). The WEP currently reduces Social Security benefits for people who receive pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security. As it phases out, your dad should see his Social Security benefit increase.
I'm a retired teacher from Texas and went through a very similar situation. One thing I learned is that your sister should definitely get documentation of her ex-husband's earnings record if possible - this will help her understand what her potential survivor benefit would be before any GPO reduction. Also, since she's 64, she can apply for reduced survivor benefits now (available at 60) or wait until her full retirement age for the maximum amount. Given that the GPO is phasing out, it might make sense to run the numbers both ways. The fact that California teachers don't pay into Social Security actually makes her situation clearer in some ways - there's no WEP issue with her own benefits since she doesn't have any SS benefits of her own, just the GPO issue with survivor benefits. And yes, the current widow doesn't affect her eligibility at all. Both can collect simultaneously.
This is really helpful advice! You mentioned getting documentation of the ex-husband's earnings record - how does someone go about getting that information? Can she request it directly from SSA, or would she need some kind of legal documentation since they were divorced? I imagine this might be one of the more challenging parts of the process, especially if the relationship with the ex wasn't amicable.
I've been helping my dad with the exact same situation! For part-time work after you claim, keep in mind that if you're self-employed, SSA looks at both your earnings AND your work activity. Even if you don't pay yourself much, if you're working a lot of hours they can still count it as substantial earnings. This tripped up my dad who continued managing his rental properties after claiming. Just something to consider if your part-time work might involve self-employment.
Just wanted to add one more consideration for your timeline - since you're planning to claim in August 2025, make sure to apply about 3-4 months beforehand (around April/May) to ensure your first payment processes smoothly. SSA recommends applying 3 months before you want benefits to start. Also, when you do apply, specifically mention that you want to use the monthly earnings test for 2025 rather than the annual test. While it should be automatic in your first year, it's worth being explicit about this choice when you speak with the SSA representative to avoid any confusion. Your plan sounds solid - earning whatever you need through August, then keeping part-time work under the monthly limit afterward. The first-year rule really does make mid-year retirement much more feasible!
One thing I'd add that helped me plan - try running different scenarios on the SSA calculators to see how various earning levels affect your total annual income (SS benefits + work income). Sometimes earning a bit less keeps you under the $22,320 limit and actually results in more total money in your pocket than earning more and having benefits reduced. Also, if you're married, don't forget about spousal benefits! Your spouse might be able to claim on your record even if you claim early, though their benefit would also be reduced. The timing strategies can get complex with married couples, so it's worth understanding all your options before making the decision. The calculators are definitely confusing at first, but once you get the hang of them they're really helpful for modeling different scenarios. Good luck with your planning!
This is really helpful advice about running different scenarios! I hadn't thought about how staying just under the limit might actually give me more total income than earning more and losing benefits. That's exactly the kind of practical insight I was looking for. The spousal benefits angle is also something I need to research more since my husband is a few years older than me. Thanks for the tip about getting comfortable with the calculators - I'll keep working with them until they make more sense!
Just want to add a practical tip from my own experience - when you're calculating that earnings limit, make sure you understand how they track it. I learned the hard way that if you have irregular income (like seasonal work or commission), Social Security looks at your monthly earnings, not just the annual total. So even if you're under $22,320 for the year, if you earn more than $1,860 in any single month, they can still withhold benefits for that month. Also, if you're thinking about claiming at 62, consider your healthcare situation carefully. Many people don't realize that Medicare doesn't start until 65, so you'll need to bridge that gap somehow. If you're still working part-time with benefits, that might help, but if not, individual health insurance can be expensive and eat into those Social Security benefits pretty quickly. One more thing - keep really good records of your earnings if you do decide to work after claiming. Social Security sometimes makes mistakes in their calculations, and having your own documentation makes it much easier to get things corrected.
This is such important practical advice, especially about the monthly earnings limit! I had no idea they looked at it month by month rather than just annually - that could really trip people up who have seasonal or variable income. And you're absolutely right about the healthcare gap - I've been so focused on the Social Security numbers that I hadn't fully considered what health insurance will cost from 62 to 65. That could definitely eat into those benefits quickly. Thanks for the tip about keeping detailed records too - it sounds like having your own documentation is really important if there are any disputes later.
Dananyl Lear
My sister-in-law just went through this exact situation last year! Her situation was almost identical - teacher pension and husband had claimed early. One thing no one mentioned yet - if your husband's benefit increased due to COLAs over the years since he claimed at 62, those increases ARE included in the survivor benefit calculation. So that might give you a bit more than you're expecting.
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Ayla Kumar
•Oh, that's great news about the COLAs being included! With inflation these past few years, those adjustments have been significant. Every little bit helps when you're living on a fixed income. Thanks for sharing your sister-in-law's experience!
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Taylor Chen
I'm dealing with a similar situation as a retired school counselor. One thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all the calculations. I listed my monthly pension amount, multiplied by 2/3 for the GPO reduction, then subtracted that from my estimated survivor benefit. Also, don't forget that if you're not yet receiving your teacher pension when you apply for survivor benefits, the GPO won't apply until you actually start receiving the pension payments. So there might be a window where you get the full survivor benefit before your pension kicks in. The timing can make a real difference in your overall financial planning, especially if you have flexibility in when you start your pension. Good luck navigating this maze!
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Jamal Brown
•That's really smart advice about the spreadsheet and timing! I hadn't thought about the window where I might get full survivor benefits before my pension starts. That could actually be significant - maybe I should delay starting my pension for a few months if something happens to my husband. Do you know if there's a limit to how long that window can be, or any other requirements I should be aware of for that timing strategy?
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