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Just wondering... what happens if both your current husband AND your ex-husband pass away? Can you choose the higher of the two survivor benefits? Or does one cancel out the other?
Good question! If both your current husband and ex-husband pass away, you can't receive survivor benefits from both simultaneously. However, you can choose the higher of the two survivor benefits. The SSA will pay the higher benefit amount, not both. This is consistent with Social Security's general approach - you can be eligible for multiple benefit types, but they'll typically only pay the highest one you qualify for at any given time.
I'm still relatively new to understanding Social Security rules, but I wanted to share what I learned when my mom went through something similar. She was also remarried and collecting her own benefits when her ex-husband passed away. The SSA did allow her to switch to his higher survivor benefits, but the process took several months and required multiple visits to the local office. One thing that really helped her was having all the paperwork organized beforehand - marriage certificate, divorce decree, and even some old tax returns that showed they filed jointly during their marriage. The SSA worker told her that having everything ready upfront made the approval process much smoother. Also, Jessica, since you mentioned your ex's benefits are estimated at $2,800, just remember that might change depending on when he actually passes away and whether he's already claimed his benefits or not. But either way, it sounds like you'd still come out ahead financially compared to your current situation.
Thanks for sharing your mom's experience! That's really helpful to know about the paperwork requirements and the timeline. A few months sounds pretty reasonable for something this complex. I'm curious - did your mom have to keep providing proof that she was still eligible during the process, or was it just the initial application that required all the documentation? Also, when you mention old tax returns, do you know how far back the SSA wanted her to go? I'm wondering if I should start gathering my financial records from my 17-year marriage now, just in case. It's also good to know that the estimated benefit amounts can change. I was using the numbers from the SSA website's benefit estimator, but you're right that the actual amount would depend on when he passes and his claiming decisions.
Great point about Medicare, Andre! That's something a lot of people overlook. Another consideration is that if your wife does decide to wait until you file at 67, she should still create her my Social Security account online and check her earnings record now to make sure everything is accurate. Any corrections need to be made before she claims benefits. Also, even though the "file and suspend" strategy was eliminated in 2015, there are still some nuances around timing that could affect your overall household strategy. For instance, if you have significant age gaps or health differences, that might influence the optimal timing. The SSA's "When to Start Receiving Retirement Benefits" publication has some good worksheets to help with these calculations.
This is all really helpful information! As someone new to understanding Social Security, I'm wondering - when you mention checking the earnings record, how far back should we look? And if there are errors, how long does it typically take SSA to correct them? I'm asking because my spouse and I are in a similar situation to Dylan and his wife, and we want to make sure we have enough time to fix any issues before we need to make our claiming decisions.
Good question! You should review your entire earnings history - SSA keeps records going back to when you first started working. The most common errors I've seen are missing years (especially from jobs where you were paid in cash or had multiple employers), incorrect earnings amounts, or name discrepancies from before/after marriage. From my experience helping my parents with this, corrections can take anywhere from a few weeks to several months depending on the complexity. If you have your old W-2s or tax returns, that speeds things up significantly. I'd recommend starting this process at least 6-12 months before you plan to claim benefits, just to be safe. The good news is you can dispute errors online through the my Social Security portal for many types of corrections.
As someone who recently went through the Social Security claiming process, I can confirm what others have said about the 2015 rule changes. The old "claim now, switch later" strategy is no longer available. However, I'd suggest one additional step that really helped me: consider meeting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization. Yes, there's a cost, but given the permanent nature of these decisions and the potential dollar amounts involved over your lifetimes, it might be worth the investment. They can run multiple scenarios using software that accounts for inflation, life expectancy, and other factors that the basic SSA calculators don't always capture. Also, don't forget that if either of you has government pension benefits (like from teaching or other public service), the Windfall Elimination Provision or Government Pension Offset rules might further complicate your calculations. Good luck with your planning!
This is excellent advice about consulting with a fee-only financial planner! As someone just starting to understand Social Security options, I'm curious - what should we expect to pay for this type of specialized consultation? And how do we find planners who specifically focus on Social Security optimization rather than just general retirement planning? I want to make sure we're getting expertise that's worth the investment, especially given how complex these rules seem to be. Also, you mentioned the Windfall Elimination Provision - neither my spouse nor I have government pensions, but this is the first I'm hearing about these additional rules. Are there other "gotchas" in the Social Security system that people commonly overlook when doing their initial planning?
Since your husband had higher earnings and you worked part-time for 10 years, there's a good chance his benefit will be significantly higher than yours. Here's what I'd suggest: create accounts on SSA.gov for both of you to get your actual benefit estimates. You can run scenarios for different claiming ages and see the exact dollar amounts. One strategy to consider - if you need income at 62, you could claim your reduced benefit then switch to spousal benefits later. But if you can afford to wait, claiming at your FRA would give you the full 50% spousal benefit (assuming his is higher). The key is knowing your actual numbers before deciding. You might also want to factor in your health and family longevity when weighing early vs. delayed claiming.
This is really helpful advice! I didn't know you could run different scenarios on the SSA website. I'll definitely create accounts for both of us to get the actual numbers. The part about factoring in health and longevity is something I need to think about too - my family tends to live into their 90s, so maybe waiting would be better in the long run even though we could use the extra income sooner.
I went through a similar situation a few years ago! One thing that really helped me was getting my actual Social Security Statement to see my projected benefits at different ages. You can access this on your my Social Security account at ssa.gov. Just to add to what others have said - the decision really depends on your financial needs and life expectancy expectations. If you need the income at 62 and can't wait, taking the reduced benefit might still be the right choice even with the permanent reduction. But if you can manage without it until your FRA, you'll get significantly more money over your lifetime. Also, don't forget that Social Security benefits are inflation-adjusted with COLAs, so that 30% reduction compounds over time. A smaller benefit today means smaller cost-of-living increases in the future too. It's definitely worth running the numbers on the SSA website before making your final decision!
This is really great advice about getting the actual Social Security Statement! I'm new to all this and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the different scenarios and percentages everyone is mentioning. The point about COLAs is something I hadn't even thought about - that a smaller benefit now means smaller increases later too. That really puts it in perspective. I think I definitely need to create that SSA account and see the actual numbers for my situation before making any decisions. Thanks for breaking this down in such an understandable way!
I just wanted to update - I found my 1099 today! It wasn't there yesterday but showed up this morning. So I guess they're still uploading them. Anyway if anyone else is still waiting just keep checking.
Great to hear everyone's getting their forms! For those still having trouble accessing their MySocialSecurity accounts, another option is to call the SSA national number at 1-800-772-1213. They can mail you a replacement 1099 if you can't get online access working. The wait times can be long but they're usually helpful. Also, if you're doing your own taxes, most tax software will let you manually enter the Social Security income amounts even if you don't have the physical form yet - you just need to know your total benefits received for 2024.
That's really helpful advice about the phone number! I didn't know most tax software would let you enter the amounts manually. That could save a lot of stress for people who can't access their online accounts. Do you happen to know if there's any risk of getting audited if you enter the numbers manually instead of uploading the actual 1099 form?
Daniel Rivera
I'm so sorry for your loss, and I want to commend you for being proactive about securing these benefits for your mother's estate. Based on everything shared here, it sounds like you have a solid plan forming. Just wanted to add one more practical tip that helped me when I dealt with a similar situation with my father's VA benefits - consider making copies of EVERYTHING before you submit it to SSA. Keep the originals for your records and only give them copies, even if they ask for originals. Government agencies sometimes misplace documents, and you don't want to be scrambling to get new certified copies of death certificates or other important papers. Also, when you do get the SSA-1724 filed and receive a case number, consider setting a calendar reminder to follow up every 3-4 weeks if you haven't heard anything. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, especially with something this complex involving new legislation. Your mother was lucky to have someone like you looking out for her interests even after she's gone. These WEP/GPO affected families deserve every penny they're owed, and I hope SSA processes your claim quickly and without hassle. Best of luck with everything!
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Maggie Martinez
•Daniel, thank you for that excellent advice about making copies! As someone who's never dealt with government benefit claims before, I wouldn't have thought about keeping originals and only submitting copies, but that makes perfect sense. I've already had to get multiple certified copies of her death certificate for other estate matters, and it would be awful to lose important documents to SSA's filing system. The calendar reminder idea is really smart too. I tend to be the "set it and forget it" type, but you're absolutely right that staying on top of follow-ups is crucial with something this important. I'm going to set up reminders for every 3 weeks once I get a case number. Everyone in this thread has been so incredibly helpful - I went from feeling completely lost about this process to having a clear action plan. It really means a lot to have this community support during what's already a difficult time dealing with her estate. My mom would definitely want me to pursue every benefit she was entitled to, especially after years of having her Social Security unfairly reduced by GPO. Thank you all for sharing your experiences and expertise. I'll update this thread once I get the claim filed and hopefully when it's processed, in case it helps others in similar situations!
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Sophia Russo
I'm sorry for your loss and can relate to your situation. My stepfather passed in January 2024 and had been receiving reduced benefits due to WEP for over a decade. We just received his retroactive payment check last week after filing in December - it took about 7 weeks total once we got all the paperwork submitted correctly. A few things that helped us get through the process faster: 1. We called ahead and scheduled an appointment at our local SSA office rather than just walking in. The scheduled appointments get you someone who has more time to work through complex cases. 2. Bring a simple one-page summary showing the math - what he received monthly vs what he should have received without WEP/GPO for each month from Dec 2023 forward. Having this ready saved a lot of time during the appointment. 3. We also brought his government pension award letter and his most recent SSA benefit statement to help them verify the reduction amounts. The final payment was almost exactly what we calculated it should be, so the math worked out correctly. Don't get discouraged if it takes longer than expected - there's definitely a backlog, but they are processing these claims. The key is just getting everything filed properly with all the right documentation. You're doing the right thing by pursuing this for her estate.
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