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Just wondering... what happens if both your current husband AND your ex-husband pass away? Can you choose the higher of the two survivor benefits? Or does one cancel out the other?

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Nathan Dell

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Good question! If both your current husband and ex-husband pass away, you can't receive survivor benefits from both simultaneously. However, you can choose the higher of the two survivor benefits. The SSA will pay the higher benefit amount, not both. This is consistent with Social Security's general approach - you can be eligible for multiple benefit types, but they'll typically only pay the highest one you qualify for at any given time.

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StarSurfer

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I'm still relatively new to understanding Social Security rules, but I wanted to share what I learned when my mom went through something similar. She was also remarried and collecting her own benefits when her ex-husband passed away. The SSA did allow her to switch to his higher survivor benefits, but the process took several months and required multiple visits to the local office. One thing that really helped her was having all the paperwork organized beforehand - marriage certificate, divorce decree, and even some old tax returns that showed they filed jointly during their marriage. The SSA worker told her that having everything ready upfront made the approval process much smoother. Also, Jessica, since you mentioned your ex's benefits are estimated at $2,800, just remember that might change depending on when he actually passes away and whether he's already claimed his benefits or not. But either way, it sounds like you'd still come out ahead financially compared to your current situation.

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The Boss

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Thanks for sharing your mom's experience! That's really helpful to know about the paperwork requirements and the timeline. A few months sounds pretty reasonable for something this complex. I'm curious - did your mom have to keep providing proof that she was still eligible during the process, or was it just the initial application that required all the documentation? Also, when you mention old tax returns, do you know how far back the SSA wanted her to go? I'm wondering if I should start gathering my financial records from my 17-year marriage now, just in case. It's also good to know that the estimated benefit amounts can change. I was using the numbers from the SSA website's benefit estimator, but you're right that the actual amount would depend on when he passes and his claiming decisions.

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Great point about Medicare, Andre! That's something a lot of people overlook. Another consideration is that if your wife does decide to wait until you file at 67, she should still create her my Social Security account online and check her earnings record now to make sure everything is accurate. Any corrections need to be made before she claims benefits. Also, even though the "file and suspend" strategy was eliminated in 2015, there are still some nuances around timing that could affect your overall household strategy. For instance, if you have significant age gaps or health differences, that might influence the optimal timing. The SSA's "When to Start Receiving Retirement Benefits" publication has some good worksheets to help with these calculations.

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This is all really helpful information! As someone new to understanding Social Security, I'm wondering - when you mention checking the earnings record, how far back should we look? And if there are errors, how long does it typically take SSA to correct them? I'm asking because my spouse and I are in a similar situation to Dylan and his wife, and we want to make sure we have enough time to fix any issues before we need to make our claiming decisions.

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Good question! You should review your entire earnings history - SSA keeps records going back to when you first started working. The most common errors I've seen are missing years (especially from jobs where you were paid in cash or had multiple employers), incorrect earnings amounts, or name discrepancies from before/after marriage. From my experience helping my parents with this, corrections can take anywhere from a few weeks to several months depending on the complexity. If you have your old W-2s or tax returns, that speeds things up significantly. I'd recommend starting this process at least 6-12 months before you plan to claim benefits, just to be safe. The good news is you can dispute errors online through the my Social Security portal for many types of corrections.

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As someone who recently went through the Social Security claiming process, I can confirm what others have said about the 2015 rule changes. The old "claim now, switch later" strategy is no longer available. However, I'd suggest one additional step that really helped me: consider meeting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization. Yes, there's a cost, but given the permanent nature of these decisions and the potential dollar amounts involved over your lifetimes, it might be worth the investment. They can run multiple scenarios using software that accounts for inflation, life expectancy, and other factors that the basic SSA calculators don't always capture. Also, don't forget that if either of you has government pension benefits (like from teaching or other public service), the Windfall Elimination Provision or Government Pension Offset rules might further complicate your calculations. Good luck with your planning!

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Andre Laurent

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This is excellent advice about consulting with a fee-only financial planner! As someone just starting to understand Social Security options, I'm curious - what should we expect to pay for this type of specialized consultation? And how do we find planners who specifically focus on Social Security optimization rather than just general retirement planning? I want to make sure we're getting expertise that's worth the investment, especially given how complex these rules seem to be. Also, you mentioned the Windfall Elimination Provision - neither my spouse nor I have government pensions, but this is the first I'm hearing about these additional rules. Are there other "gotchas" in the Social Security system that people commonly overlook when doing their initial planning?

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Maya Patel

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Since your husband had higher earnings and you worked part-time for 10 years, there's a good chance his benefit will be significantly higher than yours. Here's what I'd suggest: create accounts on SSA.gov for both of you to get your actual benefit estimates. You can run scenarios for different claiming ages and see the exact dollar amounts. One strategy to consider - if you need income at 62, you could claim your reduced benefit then switch to spousal benefits later. But if you can afford to wait, claiming at your FRA would give you the full 50% spousal benefit (assuming his is higher). The key is knowing your actual numbers before deciding. You might also want to factor in your health and family longevity when weighing early vs. delayed claiming.

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Emma Wilson

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This is really helpful advice! I didn't know you could run different scenarios on the SSA website. I'll definitely create accounts for both of us to get the actual numbers. The part about factoring in health and longevity is something I need to think about too - my family tends to live into their 90s, so maybe waiting would be better in the long run even though we could use the extra income sooner.

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Joshua Hellan

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I went through a similar situation a few years ago! One thing that really helped me was getting my actual Social Security Statement to see my projected benefits at different ages. You can access this on your my Social Security account at ssa.gov. Just to add to what others have said - the decision really depends on your financial needs and life expectancy expectations. If you need the income at 62 and can't wait, taking the reduced benefit might still be the right choice even with the permanent reduction. But if you can manage without it until your FRA, you'll get significantly more money over your lifetime. Also, don't forget that Social Security benefits are inflation-adjusted with COLAs, so that 30% reduction compounds over time. A smaller benefit today means smaller cost-of-living increases in the future too. It's definitely worth running the numbers on the SSA website before making your final decision!

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Nathan Kim

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This is really great advice about getting the actual Social Security Statement! I'm new to all this and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the different scenarios and percentages everyone is mentioning. The point about COLAs is something I hadn't even thought about - that a smaller benefit now means smaller increases later too. That really puts it in perspective. I think I definitely need to create that SSA account and see the actual numbers for my situation before making any decisions. Thanks for breaking this down in such an understandable way!

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Andre Dupont

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I just wanted to update - I found my 1099 today! It wasn't there yesterday but showed up this morning. So I guess they're still uploading them. Anyway if anyone else is still waiting just keep checking.

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Adrian Connor

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Great to hear everyone's getting their forms! For those still having trouble accessing their MySocialSecurity accounts, another option is to call the SSA national number at 1-800-772-1213. They can mail you a replacement 1099 if you can't get online access working. The wait times can be long but they're usually helpful. Also, if you're doing your own taxes, most tax software will let you manually enter the Social Security income amounts even if you don't have the physical form yet - you just need to know your total benefits received for 2024.

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Freya Larsen

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That's really helpful advice about the phone number! I didn't know most tax software would let you enter the amounts manually. That could save a lot of stress for people who can't access their online accounts. Do you happen to know if there's any risk of getting audited if you enter the numbers manually instead of uploading the actual 1099 form?

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Connor Byrne

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Great thread everyone! I'm a newcomer here but dealing with a similar situation. I was married for 15 years, divorced, then remarried for 4 years before divorcing again. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially learning that I don't need my ex's permission and that it won't affect his benefits at all. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen mentioned yet - does anyone know if there are any tax implications when claiming divorced spouse benefits versus your own benefits? I'm assuming it's all treated the same by the IRS, but wanted to check since I'm still a few years away from claiming and trying to plan ahead. Also wondering if anyone has experience with how this might affect Medicare eligibility timing, since I know those are tied together somehow. Thanks for sharing all your experiences - this community seems incredibly knowledgeable and supportive!

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Seraphina Delan

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Welcome to the community! You're right that Social Security benefits are generally taxed the same way regardless of whether they come from your own work record or from an ex-spouse's record. The IRS treats divorced spouse benefits just like any other Social Security benefit for tax purposes - so depending on your total income, you may owe taxes on up to 85% of the benefit amount. As for Medicare, you're correct that it's tied to Social Security eligibility. You can enroll in Medicare at 65 regardless of when you claim Social Security benefits, but if you're not yet receiving Social Security when you turn 65, you'll need to actively enroll in Medicare during your Initial Enrollment Period. If you're already receiving Social Security benefits (including divorced spouse benefits), you'll be automatically enrolled in Medicare Parts A and B when you turn 65. One thing to keep in mind for your planning - since you qualify for divorced spouse benefits from your 15-year marriage, you might want to get a benefit estimate closer to retirement age to compare what you'd receive from your ex's record versus your own. The difference could be significant depending on your respective earnings histories. Hope this helps with your planning!

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Emily Thompson

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly detailed discussion! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - divorced after 13 years and considering my future Social Security options. Reading through all these responses has given me so much clarity on things I never would have thought to ask about. A few key takeaways that really stood out to me: - The strict 10-year marriage requirement (so helpful to know it's a firm cutoff) - No need for ex-spouse permission or notification - The importance of specifically asking for divorced spouse benefits when applying - Getting all documentation together early, including marriage/divorce certificates One question I have after reading through everything - for those who have actually gone through the application process, how far in advance did you start gathering your paperwork? I'm still about 8 years away from being able to claim, but wondering if I should start tracking down those certificates now or if that's overkill. My divorce was finalized in a different state than where I currently live, so I'm anticipating it might take some time to get certified copies. Thanks again for sharing all your real-world experiences - this has been incredibly valuable!

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Welcome Emily! I'm also new to this community and have found this discussion incredibly helpful. Regarding your question about gathering paperwork early - I think starting now isn't overkill at all, especially since your divorce was in a different state. From what I've read in other forums, getting certified copies from out-of-state can sometimes take weeks or even months depending on the state's processing times and whether you need to mail requests back and forth. Plus, having everything organized well in advance will give you peace of mind and let you focus on other aspects of retirement planning as you get closer. I'd suggest starting with a call to the clerk's office in the county where your divorce was finalized to find out their specific process and fees - that way you'll know exactly what to expect when you're ready to request the documents.

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