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Has anyone used TurboTax to compare filing jointly vs separately? Is there an easy way to see both scenarios without doing the whole return twice?
Most tax software including TurboTax has a way to compare filing statuses but it's not always obvious. In TurboTax, look for "Tools" then "Tax Tools" and you should find something like "What-If Scenarios" that lets you compare different filing statuses. I think H&R Block and TaxAct have similar features.
The IRS absolutely does not care if you switch filing statuses from year to year - it's your right as a taxpayer to choose the status that works best for your situation each year. Many married couples switch back and forth between joint and separate filing depending on their circumstances. However, before you make the switch, definitely run the numbers both ways. Filing separately usually results in higher total taxes because you lose access to several valuable credits and deductions. You'll also both be required to either itemize or take the standard deduction - you can't mix and match. The main situations where separate filing makes sense are: significant medical expenses for one spouse, income-driven student loan repayments, concerns about liability for your spouse's tax issues, or if one spouse has a lot of miscellaneous deductions that get limited by AGI thresholds. I'd strongly recommend using tax software to model both scenarios with your actual numbers before deciding. The difference can be substantial either way depending on your specific situation.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the medical expenses situation you mentioned - is there a specific threshold where it makes sense to file separately? My spouse has had some major medical bills this year and I'm wondering if that might be worth exploring.
I had this exact same issue last year! The IRS transcript showing ending digits 9830 had me completely stumped too. After calling around, I discovered that the 9830 ending actually corresponds to Prudential's Group Insurance division (TIN 13-1832830), which handles certain employer-sponsored retirement plans. However, like others mentioned, the best approach is definitely calling Prudential directly. What helped me was having my account statement handy when I called - it made the process much faster since they could immediately identify which division handled my account. One thing to watch out for: if you received multiple distributions from Prudential in the same year (like I did), you might actually have 1099-Rs from different divisions with different TINs. Each one needs to be reported with its specific TIN. The tax software will definitely reject mismatched numbers, so it's worth taking the time to get it right rather than guessing. @Derek Olson - definitely don't try to wing it with an incorrect TIN. The rejection and reprocessing headaches aren't worth it when you're this close to the deadline!
Thank you so much for this detailed breakdown! I'm the original poster and this is exactly the kind of information I needed. The TIN ending in 9830 being from Prudential's Group Insurance division makes perfect sense - my distribution was from an old employer's retirement plan that Prudential administered. I'm going to call that dedicated tax support line you mentioned first thing tomorrow morning. It's reassuring to know there's a specific team for 1099-R questions. I was getting bounced around between different departments when I called their main number. Really appreciate everyone's help on this thread - between the specific TINs for different divisions, the calling tips, and the backup solutions people suggested, I feel much more confident about getting this resolved before the deadline!
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and wanted to share what I learned from my tax preparer. If you're still having trouble getting through to Prudential or the IRS, there's actually a form you can file with the IRS called Form 4506-T to request a transcript that shows the complete TIN information. However, this takes 5-10 business days to process, so it might not help if you're up against the deadline. In that case, you can file for an automatic extension using Form 4868, which gives you until October 15th to file your return (though you still need to pay any taxes owed by the original deadline). The key thing I learned is that each type of Prudential account really does use a different TIN, so don't assume they're all the same. My 403(b) rollover had a completely different TIN than my colleague's pension distribution, even though they were both from Prudential. If you end up needing to file an extension, at least you'll have time to get the correct information without the stress of the approaching deadline!
This is really helpful advice about Form 4506-T and the extension option! I'm actually in a similar boat - found this thread because I'm dealing with the same Prudential TIN mystery. The extension route might be my best bet since I'm already cutting it close with the deadline. One question though - if I file the extension, do I need to estimate what I owe based on the 1099-R even without knowing the exact TIN? I'm worried about underpaying and getting hit with penalties. My tax software won't even let me get to the payment calculation screen without that complete TIN number. @Carmen Ruiz - did your tax preparer mention anything about handling estimated payments when you re'missing critical information like this?
Has anyone tried requesting records directly from the Social Security Administration? They keep track of your earnings history and might be able to provide verification of your income for that year.
The SSA can provide an earnings record, but it won't show tax withholding amounts which is probably what the auditor needs. Their records only show your income amounts reported by employers for Social Security purposes. The IRS transcript is definitely more useful since it shows the complete W-2 information including all withholding.
I went through almost the exact same situation a few years ago! My former employer was being completely unhelpful and I was panicking about my audit deadline. Here's what worked for me: First, definitely try the IRS Wage and Income Transcript that others mentioned - it's free and contains everything from your W-2. But if you're having trouble accessing it online (their identity verification can be tricky), you have another option. Contact your state's Department of Labor or Employment Security office. They often have records of wages reported by employers for unemployment insurance purposes. While this isn't a perfect substitute for a W-2, it can provide additional documentation to support your case with the auditor. Also, don't be afraid to push back a little with the auditor about your employer's non-cooperation. Document every attempt you've made to contact them (dates, methods, responses) and present this to the auditor. Sometimes they can issue a formal request to the employer on your behalf, which carries more weight than your individual requests. The key is showing good faith effort to obtain the documents. Most auditors are reasonable when they see you're genuinely trying to comply but facing obstacles beyond your control.
This is really helpful advice! I especially like the suggestion about documenting all my attempts to contact the employer. I've been keeping some records but I should probably organize them better to present to the auditor. The state Department of Labor idea is interesting too - I hadn't thought about that angle. Even if it's not a perfect substitute, having additional documentation showing my wages could definitely strengthen my case. Do you happen to know if most states keep these records going back several years, or does it vary by state? I'm definitely going to try the IRS transcript first since that seems to be the most comprehensive solution, but it's good to know I have backup options if I run into any issues with their identity verification system.
This thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding the multi-generational wealth transfer potential of 529 plans! I'm curious about one aspect that hasn't been fully explored yet - the investment growth implications over long time horizons. If you're truly using 529 plans as a multi-generational strategy, you could potentially have funds growing tax-free for 50+ years before they're needed for education expenses. The compounding effect could be massive, but I'm wondering about the practical considerations: 1. How do you balance aggressive growth investments (appropriate for long time horizons) with the need for more conservative allocations as beneficiaries approach college age? 2. Do most 529 plans offer age-based portfolios that automatically adjust, or do you need to actively manage the asset allocation as beneficiaries age and new ones are added? 3. If you're changing beneficiaries frequently across generations, how do you handle the fact that different beneficiaries might be at very different life stages and need different investment approaches? I'm thinking about setting up 529s for my newborn grandchildren, but I want to make sure I'm not just focusing on the tax benefits while ignoring the investment strategy that will actually determine how much wealth gets transferred. Anyone have experience managing 529 investments across multiple generations with varying time horizons?
Great questions about the investment management side! I'm relatively new to this whole 529-as-wealth-transfer concept, but from what I've been researching, it seems like the investment strategy becomes really complex when you're dealing with multiple generations and potential beneficiary changes. From what I understand, most 529 plans do offer age-based portfolios that automatically shift from aggressive to conservative as the beneficiary approaches college age. But like you said, this gets tricky when you might change beneficiaries - suddenly your "aggressive growth" portfolio designed for a newborn could be assigned to a 16-year-old who needs college funds in 2 years. I've been wondering the same thing about whether you need to actively manage these transitions or if there are 529 plans that handle multiple beneficiaries with different timelines more elegantly. It seems like you'd almost need separate accounts for different generations to maintain appropriate asset allocations, but then you lose some of the flexibility that makes 529s attractive for wealth transfer in the first place. Has anyone found 529 plan providers that are particularly good at handling these complex multi-beneficiary situations? Or do most people just accept that they'll need to actively manage the investment allocations as they shuffle beneficiaries around?
The investment management aspect is crucial and often overlooked when people get excited about the tax benefits of 529s for wealth transfer. I've been managing a multi-generational 529 strategy for about 8 years now, and here's what I've learned: Most age-based portfolios are designed around a single beneficiary's timeline, so they don't work well when you're planning to change beneficiaries across generations. I ended up using static allocation portfolios instead - maintaining separate 529 accounts with different investment strategies based on likely usage timelines. For example, I have one account with aggressive growth investments for my youngest grandchildren (won't need funds for 15+ years), another with moderate allocation for kids who are 10-12 years from college, and a third with conservative investments for near-term education expenses. When I need to change beneficiaries, I can move them between accounts based on their timeline rather than trying to manage one account with conflicting investment needs. The key insight: treat it like a family of 529 accounts rather than trying to make one account serve multiple generations. Yes, it's more administrative work, but it lets you optimize the investment strategy for each time horizon while maintaining the beneficiary flexibility that makes this wealth transfer strategy work. One tip: Vanguard and Fidelity both offer good static allocation options and make it relatively easy to transfer funds between accounts when changing beneficiaries. The investment growth potential over 20-50 year horizons really is substantial if you can stay appropriately aggressive in the early years.
Aisha Khan
I work with tax processing systems and can confirm this is normal behavior for Michigan's eServices portal. The "You do not have access to view 2024 Tax Year information" message is their standard response during the processing window, regardless of what you select for filing status. Since you e-filed through TurboTax last Thursday, you're right in that 5-7 business day processing window where Michigan validates and integrates your return into their system. The estimated payments section will automatically become accessible once your return clears their processing queue - usually by end of this week for e-filed returns. If you're still blocked by Friday, then I'd recommend calling their support line at that point.
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Gemma Andrews
ā¢thanks for the professional insight! really reassuring to know this is just standard processing and not an error on my end. will definitely wait until friday before calling support š
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Samantha Howard
I ran into this exact same issue with Michigan Treasury's eServices portal a few months ago! The frustrating part is that their system doesn't clearly communicate what's happening during the processing period. From my experience, even though you answered "Yes" to filing your 2024 return, their backend system hasn't fully synchronized your filing status yet. Since you e-filed through TurboTax last Thursday, you're probably looking at another 1-2 business days before the portal grants you full access. The estimated tax payments section is particularly sensitive to this processing delay because it requires complete validation of your return before showing payment history. I'd suggest checking again Wednesday morning - that's typically when I've seen Michigan's system refresh with newly processed returns. If you're still locked out by then, their customer service line (517-636-4486) is usually pretty helpful with account access issues.
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Luca Romano
ā¢@ce65b714cb71 hang in there! this whole thread has been super educational - didn't realize how common this michigan processing delay issue is. sounds like you should have access by wednesday based on everyone's experiences. the fact that multiple people are confirming this is normal processing behavior makes me feel better about my own future filings with michigan!
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