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One major tip I learned the hard way - don't just check the box in Step 2(c) on all your W4 forms! I did this with my 3 jobs and ended up having WAY too much withheld. That box basically tells each employer to withhold as if that job's income was your only income but at a higher single rate. The multiple jobs worksheet is much better but still not perfect. Personally, I'd recommend using the IRS tax withholding estimator online and updating your W4s quarterly if your income fluctuates.
This is such a common problem with multiple jobs! I went through something similar last year with 3 jobs. Here's what I learned that might help: First, you're absolutely right that the new W4 is way more complicated than the old allowance system, but it's actually more accurate once you figure it out. For your situation with 4 jobs where 2 weren't withholding anything, you definitely need to update ALL of them. My recommendation would be to start with the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (it's free on the IRS website). It's specifically designed for multiple job situations and will give you exact instructions for each W4. You'll input all 4 jobs' expected income, and it calculates how much should be withheld from each. One thing to watch out for - if your jobs have very different pay rates, the calculator might suggest putting most of the extra withholding on your highest-paying job rather than spreading it equally. This actually works better for cash flow. Also, don't stress too much about getting it perfect right away. You can always adjust your W4s again if needed after a few paychecks. The key is getting something reasonable in place so you're not hit with another big tax bill next year!
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat with multiple part-time jobs and have been dreading dealing with the W4 forms. Quick question - when you say the calculator might suggest putting most extra withholding on the highest-paying job, does that mean I'd leave the lower-paying jobs' W4s mostly unchanged? I'm worried about making it too complicated across all the different employers.
One important thing that confused me about the 1095-C - it's different from a 1095-B! My spouse got a 1095-B from their insurance company and I got a 1095-C from my employer and they contain different information. Just wanted to point this out in case anyone else has both forms in their household.
That's a good point! 1095-B typically comes from insurance companies or government programs like Medicaid, while 1095-C comes from employers with 50+ employees who offer health insurance. They show similar information but in different formats.
Just want to chime in with a simple summary for anyone still confused! Your 1095-C form is basically just proof that your employer offered you health insurance coverage. You DON'T need to mail it in with your tax return or enter specific numbers from it into tax software. Think of it like a receipt - keep it with your tax records in case you ever need to prove you had qualifying health coverage. The main thing it helps with is showing the IRS that you met the health insurance requirement and shouldn't be penalized. If you're using tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block, they might ask if you had employer-sponsored health insurance, and you can just answer "yes" based on having this form. But you won't need to type in the specific codes or dollar amounts from the 1095-C itself.
This is such a helpful summary, thank you! I was getting overwhelmed reading through all the different scenarios people mentioned. So just to confirm - even though my employer sent me this 1095-C form, I literally don't have to do anything with it except keep it in my files? I was worried I was missing some important step or calculation I needed to do.
I'm dealing with this exact same situation with my S-Corp that I started in 2023! Reading through all these responses has been incredibly eye-opening - I had no idea the IRS was so strict about the salary requirement even when you're not taking distributions. Like you, I've been reinvesting everything back into growing the business and haven't taken a penny out personally. I was actually hoping I could avoid the whole payroll setup complexity until I started taking money out, but it sounds like that's not an option. The documentation aspect that several people mentioned really resonates with me. I think that's been my biggest mistake - not keeping records of my decision-making process around compensation. I've been so focused on just running the business that I haven't been thinking about creating that paper trail for potential IRS scrutiny. Based on all the advice here, it sounds like I need to: 1) Research comparable salaries in my industry and area, 2) Set a reasonable but affordable salary (maybe 60-70% of market rate given cash flow constraints), 3) Document my reasoning with a formal board resolution, and 4) Set up proper payroll processing. This thread has been a huge wake-up call. Better to get compliant now than deal with potential reclassification and penalties later. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this kind of real-world guidance is so much more helpful than trying to parse through IRS publications!
You're absolutely right about this being a wake-up call! I just went through this exact realization with my own S-Corp earlier this year. It's funny how you can get so caught up in the day-to-day operations that you miss these critical compliance pieces. Your action plan sounds solid, especially the documentation part. One thing I'd add based on my recent experience - when you're doing that market research, make sure to look at both full-time and part-time rates for your type of work. Since cash flow is tight, you might be able to justify a salary based on part-time equivalent hours even if you're working full-time, as long as you can document that the business genuinely can't afford more right now. Also, don't let the payroll setup intimidate you too much. I was dreading it too, but services like Gusto or QuickBooks Payroll make it pretty straightforward. The monthly cost is way less than what you'd pay in penalties if the IRS decides to reclassify your future distributions as wages. The sooner you get this sorted, the better you'll sleep at night knowing you're fully compliant. Good luck with getting everything set up!
This is such a great thread - I've learned so much from everyone's experiences! I'm in a similar situation with my S-Corp (started in 2022, sole owner, reinvesting everything) and had been putting off the salary question hoping it would somehow resolve itself. What really stands out to me from all these responses is the consistency of the message: the IRS doesn't care whether you take distributions or not - if you're actively working in the business, you need reasonable compensation as an employee. The documentation aspect everyone mentions makes total sense too. I think the key insight for those of us in cash-tight growth phases is that "reasonable" doesn't necessarily mean "full market rate." It sounds like you can justify a lower salary based on business financial constraints, but it needs to be genuinely reasonable - not artificially low to dodge payroll taxes. For the OP's situation with $33k in profit after expenses, setting aside $25-30k for salary (as several people suggested) seems like a good balance between compliance and cash flow management. The remaining amount stays in the business for growth, and you can always increase the salary as revenue grows. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences - especially those who dealt with IRS audits or got professional guidance. This kind of practical advice is invaluable for navigating S-Corp compliance!
I'm so glad I found this thread! As someone who just started an S-Corp in late 2024, this whole salary requirement thing has been keeping me up at night. I had heard conflicting advice from different sources, but seeing everyone's real experiences here makes it crystal clear - I definitely need to get my payroll set up ASAP. The point about documentation really hit home. I've been so focused on just keeping the business running that I haven't been thinking about creating records to justify my compensation decisions. It sounds like I need to start researching comparable salaries in my industry and documenting my reasoning, even if I end up on the lower end due to cash flow constraints. One question for those who've been through this - when you say "reasonable" salary can be adjusted for business financial constraints, is there a minimum threshold the IRS looks for? Like, could someone justify $15k if that's genuinely all the business can afford after necessary expenses, or is there some baseline they expect regardless of profitability? I'm in a service business similar to consulting, and while I'm working full-time hours, the revenue is still pretty modest in this first year. Trying to figure out how low is too low before it becomes obviously unreasonable.
Just wanted to share my experience with this exact situation! I had multiple Roth IRA contributions throughout 2023 and then got hit with a surprise year-end bonus that pushed me over the income limit. The key thing I learned is that you absolutely need to act quickly - the deadline is firm. My broker (Schwab) was actually really helpful once I got to the right department. They have a specialized team that handles excess contribution returns and they did all the earnings calculations for me using the method described above. One thing that wasn't immediately clear to me: when you withdraw the excess contribution plus earnings, the contribution amount comes back to you tax-free (since it was post-tax money), but the earnings portion gets added to your taxable income for the year you receive the distribution. So make sure you're prepared for that tax hit! Also, if you're close to income limits in the future, definitely consider the backdoor Roth strategy mentioned by others. It's a bit more paperwork but saves you from this whole headache.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious - when you say Schwab has a specialized team for this, did you have to ask specifically for them or did they transfer you automatically when you mentioned excess contributions? I'm wondering if I should try calling Fidelity again and asking for a specific department. Also, you mentioned the earnings get added to taxable income - do you know if there are any early withdrawal penalties on top of that, or is it just the regular income tax on the earnings portion?
I went through this same situation last year with Fidelity! You're absolutely right that the calculation can be confusing, especially with multiple contributions. Here's what I learned from my experience: Fidelity does have a specific form called "Return of Excess Contribution" that you can find in their forms library online. When you call, ask specifically for the "retirement account excess contribution department" - they'll transfer you to specialists who handle this all the time and actually know the calculation methods. Regarding your question about tracking each contribution separately - you don't need to! The IRS allows you to use the account value immediately before your first contribution for the tax year as your starting point, then your current balance as the ending point. The formula you mentioned is correct. One important thing I discovered: if you're doing this for 2024 contributions, you have until your 2024 tax filing deadline (including extensions) to fix it without penalty. But don't wait - the earnings calculation keeps changing as your account value fluctuates. Also, just to echo what others said about the tax implications - the contribution itself comes back tax-free, but any earnings on the excess contribution will be taxable income in the year you receive the distribution. Fidelity will send you a 1099-R showing the earnings portion.
This is super helpful, thank you! I'm definitely going to call back and ask specifically for the "retirement account excess contribution department" - that's exactly the kind of insider tip I needed. Quick question about the timeline - when you say I have until the tax filing deadline, does that mean April 15th 2025 for 2024 contributions, or does it include the extension period automatically? I want to make sure I understand the exact deadline since you mentioned not to wait due to the fluctuating account values. Also, did Fidelity charge any fees for processing the excess contribution return? I'm trying to budget for all the costs associated with fixing this mistake.
James Maki
Just want to add my experience - I was in an almost identical situation last year. Had 3 years of unfiled taxes with both W-2 and 1099 income. I decided to DIY with tax software and regret it now. I thought I was saving money, but I missed several deductions that would have saved me thousands. I also messed up the estimated tax penalty calculations which caused more issues. Then I tried amending the returns myself which created an even bigger mess! Finally hired a tax pro who had to fix everything. Cost me way more in the end than if I'd just hired them at the beginning. Just my 2 cents, sometimes trying to save money costs more in the long run.
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Mikayla Davison
ā¢That's really helpful to hear. Did your tax pro do anything special with getting you set up on payment plans? Or was their main value in properly preparing the returns?
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Keisha Taylor
ā¢The tax pro was helpful on both fronts actually. They maximized my deductions which reduced what I owed by about $2,800 across the three years. But they were also really valuable for the payment plan setup - they knew exactly what documentation the IRS would want and helped me structure the request properly. They also negotiated penalty abatement for reasonable cause since I had some legitimate issues during those years that caused the filing delays. Got about 40% of my penalties removed, which was huge. The whole process took about 6 weeks from start to finish, versus the months I spent trying to figure it out myself. @957d079ff649 Given your situation with both back taxes and unpaid estimated payments totaling over $20k, I'd honestly recommend getting professional help. The potential savings and reduced stress are probably worth way more than the $450 per year they're quoting you.
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Philip Cowan
I want to share some practical advice from someone who went through a very similar situation recently. First, don't panic - this is absolutely manageable even though it feels overwhelming right now. For your unfiled returns (2015, 2018, 2020), the most important thing is getting them filed ASAP to stop the failure-to-file penalties from growing. These penalties are typically much higher than failure-to-pay penalties. Since you mentioned your returns are relatively straightforward, you could potentially handle the preparation yourself using prior year tax software. However, given that you have over $20k in total tax debt between your back taxes and unpaid 2023 estimated payments, I'd lean toward getting professional help for a few key reasons: 1. **Penalty abatement opportunities** - A tax pro can often get first-time penalty abatements or reasonable cause waivers that could save you hundreds or thousands 2. **Maximizing deductions** - Even "simple" 1099 work often has more deductible expenses than people realize (home office, mileage, equipment, etc.) 3. **Payment plan strategy** - They know how to structure installment agreements to get the best terms and can handle both your back taxes and 2023 shortfall in one comprehensive plan The $450 per year might seem expensive, but if they can reduce your tax liability by even 10-15% through proper deductions and penalty abatement, that fee pays for itself many times over. Plus, having everything handled correctly the first time prevents costly amendments later. For immediate next steps: gather all your tax documents for those years, and consider getting quotes from a few different tax professionals who specialize in tax resolution, not just basic tax prep.
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QuantumQuester
ā¢This is really solid advice, especially about the failure-to-file penalties being worse than failure-to-pay. I didn't realize those penalties keep growing until you actually submit the returns, regardless of whether you can pay what you owe. The point about penalty abatement is particularly interesting - I had no idea that was even possible for first-time issues. Do you know if there are specific criteria the IRS looks for when considering reasonable cause waivers? With everything that happened during 2020 especially, I'm wondering if there might be some legitimate reasons I could cite for the delays. Also, when you mention getting quotes from tax resolution specialists versus basic tax prep, what should I be looking for specifically? Are there certain credentials or experience markers that indicate someone actually knows how to handle back tax situations effectively?
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