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Do you know the total amount of gifts your aunt gave throughout her lifetime? The lifetime exemption is pretty high (over $12 million), but if she was very wealthy and had already used up a lot of her exemption, it could affect the tax situation for her estate.

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I really don't know how much she gave in her lifetime. She wasn't super wealthy or anything - she was a retired school teacher, but she was really good with saving and investing. This gift to me was about $22,000, which I know is over the annual limit. I don't think she made many other large gifts that I know of, but I'm not 100% sure.

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Since you mentioned your aunt was a retired teacher who was good with saving and investing, it's very unlikely she exceeded the lifetime gift and estate tax exemption. Even if she made occasional large gifts over the years, the current exemption is $13.61 million per person for 2024 (and will be even higher for 2025), so most people never come close to owing actual gift tax. As the executor, you'll want to look through her financial records to see if she ever filed Form 709 in previous years - that would tell you if she made other large gifts that used up part of her exemption. But honestly, with a $22,000 gift being notable enough for you to worry about, it sounds like she probably stayed well within the exemption limits. The main thing is just making sure you file that Form 709 for the year she made the gift to you, even if no tax is actually owed. It's more about proper documentation than owing money to the IRS.

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This is really helpful context! I was worried about the tax implications but it sounds like for someone with her background, we're probably nowhere near those exemption limits. I'll definitely look through her papers to see if she filed any Form 709s before - that's a great suggestion I hadn't thought of. Quick question though - when I file the Form 709 for her, do I need to estimate what her total lifetime gifts were, or can I just report the gift she made to me and note that I don't have complete records of other potential gifts? I'm trying to be thorough but also don't want to make things more complicated than they need to be.

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Andre Dupont

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact on your Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) eligibility if you have any. If your C Corp stock qualifies for QSBS treatment under Section 1202, converting to an LLC will terminate that benefit going forward, and you'll lose the potential for tax-free gains on sale. Also, don't forget about the accumulated earnings and profits (E&P) in your C Corp. When you liquidate, any distribution in excess of your stock basis will be taxed as capital gains. If you have significant retained earnings from profitable years, this could create a substantial tax hit even if your assets haven't appreciated much. I'd strongly recommend running the numbers on both the asset appreciation and the E&P distribution before making the final decision. Sometimes the tax cost of conversion outweighs the administrative benefits, especially if you're planning to sell the business in the next few years anyway.

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This is such an important point about QSBS that often gets overlooked! I'm curious - if someone has been building up QSBS eligibility over several years in their C Corp, is there any way to preserve that benefit while still simplifying the business structure? Maybe keeping the C Corp but electing S Corp status instead of converting to LLC? I'm trying to weigh the administrative burden against potentially losing out on millions in tax-free gains down the road.

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Great question about preserving QSBS benefits! You're absolutely right to consider this carefully. An S Corp election could be a smart middle ground - you'd keep the corporate structure (and thus preserve QSBS eligibility), eliminate double taxation, but still have more administrative requirements than an LLC. However, there are some important considerations with S Corp elections: you're limited to 100 shareholders who must be US citizens/residents, only one class of stock, and you lose some flexibility in profit/loss allocations. Also, if you have accumulated E&P from your C Corp years, you could face built-in gains tax on asset sales within 5 years of the S election. For QSBS purposes, you'd want to ensure your business activities still qualify (active business, not just passive investments, etc.) and that you continue to meet the gross asset test. If you're genuinely looking at potential millions in tax-free gains under Section 1202, the administrative burden of maintaining corporate status might be worth it compared to losing that massive tax benefit. I'd definitely run projections comparing: 1) Stay C Corp, 2) Elect S Corp status, 3) Convert to LLC. Factor in ongoing compliance costs, tax implications of conversion, and the potential QSBS benefit based on realistic exit scenarios and timeframes.

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Nia Jackson

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This is exactly the kind of thorough analysis I was hoping for! The QSBS angle really does change the calculation significantly. I'm wondering though - for someone like the original poster who's been running a C Corp for "a few years," do we know if there's a minimum holding period requirement for QSBS benefits? I thought you needed to hold the stock for at least 5 years to get the full exclusion. If Jamal is still within that window, maybe the timing of conversion matters even more than just the mid-year tax complications. Also, regarding the built-in gains tax on S Corp election - would that apply to all appreciated assets or just specific types? I'm trying to understand if there are ways to minimize that hit while still preserving the QSBS eligibility for future growth.

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Sophia Clark

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with my consulting S corp and was nervous about taking my first distribution. The consensus seems clear that the transfer itself is straightforward, but the documentation and basis tracking are crucial. One thing I'd add based on my research: make sure your corporate resolutions or operating agreement address distributions if you haven't already. My attorney mentioned this could be important if you ever face an audit, as it shows the distributions were properly authorized corporate actions rather than informal money movements. Also, for anyone using multiple business bank accounts, I learned it's cleaner to always distribute from your main operating account rather than transferring between various business accounts first. Keeps the paper trail simpler for tax purposes. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this gave me the confidence to move forward with my first distribution!

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Aisha Khan

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That's a great point about corporate resolutions! I hadn't thought about the formal authorization aspect. For those of us who are sole shareholders, is this something we need to document even though we're the only decision-maker? Also, your tip about using the main operating account makes total sense. I have a separate account for tax savings and was wondering if I could distribute from there, but keeping everything flowing through the main account would definitely make tracking cleaner. Did your attorney provide any specific language for the resolutions, or is it pretty standard boilerplate? I'm trying to decide if this is something I can handle myself or if I need to involve my attorney.

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Even as a sole shareholder, documenting distributions through corporate resolutions is a smart practice. It demonstrates to the IRS that you're maintaining proper corporate formalities and treating the S corp as a separate legal entity, which helps protect your limited liability status. The language doesn't need to be complex - something like "RESOLVED, that the corporation is authorized to make a distribution of $X to the shareholder on [date] from retained earnings" is typically sufficient. You can find templates online or create a simple format and reuse it. I keep a corporate resolution book (just a simple binder) where I document major decisions like distributions, salary changes, and significant expenditures. Takes maybe 5 minutes per resolution, but it shows you're running things properly if you ever face scrutiny. Your attorney can provide templates if you want to be extra careful, but for routine distributions, basic language should be fine. The key is consistency - if you start documenting this way, keep doing it for all distributions. And yes, definitely stick with the main operating account for distributions. Makes year-end reconciliation so much easier!

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This is exactly the kind of practical guidance I was hoping to find! As someone new to S corp distributions, I really appreciate how you've broken down both the mechanical process and the documentation requirements. The corporate resolution template you provided is super helpful - I was imagining something much more complex and legal-sounding. Keeping it in a simple binder format makes total sense and seems very manageable. I'm curious about one thing: when you mention "retained earnings" in the resolution template, is that the correct term to use even if the S corp doesn't technically retain earnings since everything passes through to shareholders? Or should I be referring to it differently, like "accumulated adjustments account" or just "available cash"? Also, do you document the resolution before or after making the actual transfer? I'm thinking it makes sense to do it before as proper authorization, but wanted to confirm the typical practice. Thanks for sharing such detailed and actionable advice!

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This is such a timely discussion for me! I'm a newer agent (2 years in) but had a breakout year and am projected to hit around $400k this year. I've been putting off the S Corp decision but clearly need to stop procrastinating. One question I haven't seen addressed - does the IRS look at this differently for newer agents vs established ones? I'm worried that since I don't have a long track record, they might scrutinize my salary determination more closely. Like, can I justify the same salary percentage as someone who's been in the business for 10+ years? Also, for those who made the switch mid-year, how did you handle the transition? Did you have to do a partial year S Corp election or wait until the following tax year?

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Great question about newer agents! The IRS doesn't explicitly treat newer vs. established agents differently for reasonable compensation, but your track record can definitely influence how you justify your salary determination. For a newer agent hitting $400k, you'd want to emphasize factors like: - Hours worked (newer agents often work longer hours) - Your direct involvement in all aspects of transactions - Market conditions that contributed to your success - Comparable salaries for employed agents with similar production levels The key is documentation. Since you don't have years of historical data, focus on current market comparables and your specific duties. Many newer high-producers actually justify higher salary percentages (50-60%) because they're doing ALL the work themselves. Regarding mid-year transitions: You can make an S Corp election mid-year, but it's complex. You'd need to file Form 2553 and potentially Form 8832. Many CPAs recommend waiting until January 1st to keep things cleaner, but if your projected savings are substantial, the mid-year election might be worth the extra complexity. Definitely run the numbers with a CPA who specializes in real estate to see if the partial-year savings justify the additional complications.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about emphasizing the hours worked as a newer agent! I'm definitely putting in 60+ hour weeks and handling everything myself right now. One follow-up question - when you mention "comparable salaries for employed agents with similar production levels," how do I find that data? Most job postings I see for real estate positions are either base salary + commission or just commission-only. Are there specific resources that show what high-producing employed agents actually earn in total compensation? I want to make sure I have solid documentation to back up whatever salary I choose. Also, has anyone here actually gone through an IRS audit on their S Corp reasonable compensation? I'd love to hear what that process was like and what documentation they found most valuable.

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Justin Trejo

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Eva, I completely sympathize with your situation - the treaty termination definitely adds complexity, but you're not doomed to face full double taxation on everything. A few practical points that might help your decision-making: **Hungary-specific considerations:** - Hungary's 15% flat tax rate is actually quite competitive compared to US marginal rates, especially for higher earners - As a Hungarian tax resident, you'll pay tax on worldwide income, but Hungary provides credits for foreign taxes paid (similar to how the US FTC works) - Hungary has been developing more expat-friendly policies lately, including some digital nomad provisions **Timing strategy:** If you do decide to move, consider starting your Hungarian residency at the beginning of a calendar year. This avoids the complexity of being a part-year resident in both countries during your transition year. **Beyond the basics:** While everyone's covered FEIE and FTC well, don't overlook the foreign housing exclusion - this can add another $40k+ in exclusions if you qualify. Also, if you're self-employed or have business income, there may be additional opportunities to optimize through Hungarian business structures. **Reality check:** Yes, filing will be more complex without the treaty, but thousands of Americans live successfully in non-treaty countries. The key is good planning and documentation from day one. Have you considered doing a "trial run" - perhaps spending a few months in Hungary first to get a feel for the tax and banking systems before committing to full residency?

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Melina Haruko

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@Justin Trejo The trial run idea is brilliant! I wish I had thought of that before my own international move. A few months would give you real insight into how Hungarian banking, tax registration, and daily financial life actually works without fully committing to tax residency. One thing to add about the foreign housing exclusion - it can be substantial but has specific requirements about what qualifies as housing expenses. Make sure to track rent, utilities, and other qualifying costs from day one if you do make the move. I m'curious about your mention of Hungarian business structures for optimization. Are you referring to their KATA system or something else? I ve'heard mixed things about whether that s'still viable for expats after the recent changes they made to the program. Also, for anyone considering this path - don t'underestimate the importance of having a Hungarian address and phone number established quickly. It affects everything from banking to tax registration, and some processes can take weeks to complete.

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Diez Ellis

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Eva, as someone who's navigated similar international tax waters, I wanted to add a perspective that might help ease some of your concerns. The treaty termination is definitely inconvenient, but it's worth remembering that the vast majority of US expats worldwide live in countries without tax treaties - and they manage just fine! Countries like Thailand, Singapore, and many others have thriving American expat communities despite no treaties. **One often-overlooked strategy:** Consider the timing of your income recognition if you have flexibility as a freelancer/contractor. You might be able to shift some income timing to optimize your first year of Hungarian residency, especially if you can qualify for the bona fide residence test early on. **Hungarian advantages to consider:** - Much lower cost of living means your excluded $126k goes much further - Hungary's healthcare system and social benefits - EU residency opens doors to the entire European market for your business - Strong digital infrastructure for remote work **Practical tip:** Before making any final decisions, try reaching out to American expat groups in Budapest on Facebook or other platforms. They often have real-world insights about navigating the Hungarian tax system and can recommend local professionals who understand US tax obligations. The bottom line: while the treaty termination adds paperwork complexity, it shouldn't be a deal-breaker if Hungary otherwise makes sense for your lifestyle and business goals. The tax optimization tools (FEIE, FTC, housing exclusion) are still powerful enough to make it work financially. Don't let tax tail wag the life decision dog - but definitely get professional advice to optimize your approach!

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@Diez Ellis This is such valuable perspective! You re'absolutely right that most US expats live in non-treaty countries successfully. I think the fear factor around losing treaty benefits often overshadows the practical reality. Your point about income timing flexibility is really smart - especially for freelancers and contractors who might have some control over when they invoice clients or recognize certain types of income. That could make a significant difference in that first year of establishing Hungarian residency. I m'particularly interested in your mention of American expat groups in Budapest. As someone new to thinking about international moves, are there specific Facebook groups or online communities you d'recommend for getting real-world insights? It would be great to hear from people who ve'actually navigated the Hungarian tax system rather than just theoretical advice. Also, the cost of living point is huge - even if you end up paying some additional tax due to the treaty loss, if your overall expenses are 40-50% lower than the US, you could still come out ahead financially while gaining access to EU benefits and lifestyle improvements. Thanks for the encouraging perspective - sometimes it s'easy to get lost in the tax complexity and forget about the bigger picture of why someone would want to make an international move in the first place!

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