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Complex Tax Questions on PTP K-1s - Handling Sales, Repurchases, and UBTI Implications

I've been investing in several publicly traded partnerships (PTPs) and have received K-1s for them over the past few years. I'm trying to better understand how certain scenarios affect the reporting on these K-1s, particularly around the ordinary income on line 1 and unrelated business taxable income (UBTI) on line 20V. I have three specific scenarios I'm trying to figure out: 1. If I sell some or all shares of a PTP and don't repurchase within the same tax year, how does that impact the reporting on line 1 and line 20V for the final K-1 I receive? 2. What happens if I sell shares of a PTP but then rebuy within the same tax year? Does this affect the line 1 ordinary income and line 20V UBTI amounts differently than a complete exit? 3. How is the tax treatment handled if the PTP owner dies? Does it matter whether the PTPs are held in a taxable account versus an IRA? From my research and experience, I've noticed that when no trades are made to PTP holdings during a year, the ordinary income (K-1 line 1) and UBTI (K-1 line 20V) seem directly related to the capital account. On a per-share basis, both UBTI and income appear lower when the capital account is higher (or less negative). I've heard conflicting information about this, so I'd appreciate clarification. For context, I receive 1065 K-1s but have never been on the issuing side. Any insights on one or all of these questions would be tremendously helpful!

One often overlooked issue with PTPs is how suspended losses affect your situation when selling. If you've received K-1s with losses that were suspended due to passive activity or at-risk rules, those suspended losses become deductible when you completely dispose of your interest. But for your scenario #2 (sell and rebuy), you technically haven't fully disposed of your interest for tax purposes if you rebuy within the same year. This means those suspended losses remain suspended despite the sale transaction. For the UBTI reporting on line 20V, death transfers can be especially confusing. Technically, the UBTI character passes through to the heir, but the step-up in basis can reduce future UBTI by giving you a higher basis to offset against UBTI income.

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Gavin King

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I thought suspended losses were released when you sell regardless of whether you rebuy later. Like each transaction stands on its own? My accountant told me this was one advantage of partnership interests over S-Corps.

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You're partially right, but it depends on the specific type of suspended losses. For passive activity losses, you generally do get to deduct them when you completely dispose of your entire interest in the activity. However, if you sell and then rebuy the same partnership within the same tax year, the IRS might view this as not being a complete disposition, especially if it appears to be part of a planned series of transactions. At-risk limitations work differently - those suspended losses are released when you dispose of your interest, but they're calculated based on your at-risk amount at the time of disposition. The timing of a rebuy within the same year could affect this calculation. Your accountant is right that partnership interests generally have more favorable suspended loss rules compared to S-Corp stock, but the sell/rebuy scenario creates some gray areas that aren't always clear-cut. The key is whether the IRS views your transactions as a genuine disposition or just a temporary restructuring of the same economic interest.

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Axel Far

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The relationship between capital accounts and UBTI/income allocation you mentioned is spot-on, and there's actually a specific reason for this. Partnerships are required to allocate items in accordance with partners' interests in the partnership, which is primarily determined by capital account balances under Section 704(b) regulations. When your capital account becomes more negative (through distributions exceeding your basis), your economic interest in future partnership income decreases proportionally. This is why you see lower per-unit income and UBTI when capital accounts are more negative - you're essentially getting a smaller slice of the same pie. For your death scenario question, there's an important distinction many people miss: while the step-up in basis applies to the fair market value of the PTP units, it doesn't directly reset your capital account with the partnership. The partnership maintains its own records of your capital account, which continues to reflect the cumulative income, losses, and distributions. However, for tax purposes, your new stepped-up basis can significantly reduce or eliminate the taxable gain when the inherited PTPs are eventually sold. One practical tip: if you're actively trading PTPs, keep detailed records of your holding periods and corresponding K-1 amounts. The partnerships' quarterly ownership snapshots mean your K-1 might not perfectly match your actual trading activity, and you'll need to be able to support any adjustments on your return.

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Miguel Ramos

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This is really helpful context about the Section 704(b) regulations and how capital accounts drive the allocation mechanics. I'm curious though - when you mention that the step-up in basis doesn't reset the partnership's capital account records, does this create ongoing complications for heirs? For example, if someone inherits PTP units with a large negative capital account but gets stepped-up basis, would they still be subject to the same proportionally lower income/UBTI allocations going forward? Or does the partnership eventually adjust their capital account tracking to reflect the new economic reality after the step-up? I'm trying to understand if there's a disconnect between what the partnership shows on future K-1s versus the heir's actual tax basis for calculating gains/losses on eventual sale.

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I've been running music production workshops through Eventbrite for about 6 months and this thread has been absolutely invaluable! Made around £5,400 so far and was completely clueless about the tax side until stumbling across this discussion. Like so many others here, I had that same "is this really a business?" mental block, but reading everyone's experiences makes it crystal clear that HMRC doesn't care about our internal debates - they care about the fact that I've been getting paid regularly since last summer. A few music workshop-specific points I wanted to add: **Software and plugins**: I've invested heavily in music production software and plugin licenses that I use exclusively for teaching (simplified versions of what I use professionally). These digital purchases are legitimate business expenses, right? Some were quite expensive (£200-400 each). **Equipment transport**: I often need to bring keyboards, audio interfaces, and monitors to venues that don't have proper music setups. The wear and tear on my car from hauling equipment around - can I claim mileage for these business trips? **Licensing fees**: For some workshops I pay small licensing fees to use certain backing tracks or samples in teaching. These ongoing costs should be fully deductible as business expenses? The automatic 30% tax savings setup with Monzo sounds brilliant - I've been terrible about setting money aside and this would solve that completely. Also definitely getting my HMRC registration sorted this week rather than continuing to procrastinate. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed real-world experiences. This thread has transformed something that felt impossibly complicated into a manageable set of action steps!

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Omar Fawzi

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Absolutely yes on all three points! Your music workshop expenses are definitely legitimate business deductions. **Software and plugins**: Those £200-400 digital purchases are 100% deductible business expenses since you use them exclusively for teaching. Keep your purchase receipts and download confirmations - HMRC treats software the same as physical equipment for tax purposes. **Equipment transport**: You can definitely claim business mileage at 45p per mile for the first 10,000 miles annually. Keep a simple log of dates, destinations, and mileage for equipment transport to venues. The wear and tear is built into the mileage rate, so you don't need to calculate that separately. **Licensing fees**: Yes, those backing track and sample licensing costs are legitimate ongoing business expenses. Keep records of what you licensed and when - these are the kind of industry-specific costs that show HMRC you're running a serious music education business. Your £5,400 in 6 months definitely puts you well into "must register" territory. The music production workshop space seems really popular on Eventbrite - I see loads of electronic music and beat-making sessions advertised. The Monzo auto-savings approach is genuinely life-changing for staying disciplined about tax money. Once it's automated, you stop even thinking about that 30% as "your" money, which makes the eventual tax bill much less painful! Get that registration sorted - you're clearly running a legitimate and growing business that just needs the paperwork to match the reality.

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Mateo Perez

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I've been running creative writing workshops through Eventbrite for about 4 months and this thread has been an absolute lifesaver! Made around £2,800 so far and was completely lost about the tax implications until finding this discussion. Like everyone else here, I had that same mental barrier about whether my workshops counted as a "real business," but reading through all these experiences makes it clear that I need to stop overthinking and just get registered with HMRC. A few writing workshop-specific questions I wanted to add: **Books and research materials**: I regularly buy books, magazines, and writing guides that I reference during workshops and sometimes give as prizes. Are these fully deductible even if I also read them personally for enjoyment? **Printing costs**: I provide handouts, writing prompts, and feedback sheets for every session. The printing costs are adding up - easily £30-40 per workshop. These are straightforward business expenses, right? **Refreshments**: I often provide tea, coffee, and biscuits during longer workshops to keep energy up. Can I claim these hospitality costs, or is there a limit on this type of expense? The consistent advice about separate banking and automatic tax savings (30% into a Monzo pot) sounds like exactly what I need. I've been terrible about financial discipline and this automated approach would solve that completely. Going to get my HMRC registration sorted this week - no more procrastinating! Thanks to everyone for making this complex topic feel manageable through real-world examples.

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year when my father-in-law passed away. We received two 1099-C forms after his death - one for about $12,000 and another for $7,500. It was really confusing at first because we didn't know if we needed to include this as income on our personal taxes or handle it through the estate. What we learned is that you definitely want to check the "reason codes" on each 1099-C form. If they have Code D (death of debtor), then the canceled debt isn't taxable income to the estate. But you still need to report it on Form 1041 and file Form 982 to show the exclusion. The tricky part was figuring out the timeline - one of the debts was actually settled before he passed away due to financial hardship, so that one was potentially taxable to the estate. We ended up having to dig through his records to understand exactly when each debt was canceled and why. My advice would be to gather all the documentation you can about when and why the debt was canceled, then either work with a tax professional who handles estates or use one of the tools others mentioned to make sure you're reporting everything correctly. The IRS will definitely be expecting to see that 1099-C addressed somewhere in your filing.

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Sofia Gomez

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This is really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! The timeline issue you mentioned is something I hadn't considered. We found the 1099-C in her paperwork but I'm not 100% sure exactly when the debt was actually canceled versus when the form was issued. Do you remember how you were able to determine the exact cancellation dates? Did you have to contact the creditors directly, or were you able to figure it out from the documentation your father-in-law had? I'm wondering if I need to do some detective work to make sure we're handling this correctly.

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We had to do a bit of detective work, but it was manageable. First, we looked at the 1099-C form itself - Box 2 shows the date the debt was canceled, which is different from when the form was issued or mailed. That's the key date you need. For the debt that was settled before his death, we found correspondence in his files from the creditor confirming the settlement agreement and the date it was finalized. For the other debt, we actually called the creditor's customer service line and explained we were handling the estate - they were able to confirm that the debt was written off specifically because of his death and gave us the exact date. If you can't find documentation in her papers, I'd recommend calling the creditor that issued the 1099-C. Have her death certificate handy and explain you're the executor handling the estate. Most creditors are pretty helpful in these situations and can tell you exactly when and why the debt was canceled. The key is making sure you can prove whether it happened before or after death, since that determines the tax treatment.

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Sophia Nguyen

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Just want to add another perspective based on my experience as someone who handles estate planning professionally. One thing that often gets overlooked with 1099-C forms in estate situations is that you need to be very careful about the timing of when debts are actually "canceled" versus when creditors stop collection efforts. Sometimes creditors will issue a 1099-C months or even years after someone passes away, but the actual cancellation date (shown in Box 2 of the form) might be from before death. This can happen when creditors are slow to process their paperwork or when there are multiple creditors involved in an estate. Also, don't forget that if the estate is required to file Form 706 (federal estate tax return), any canceled debt that's excluded from income still needs to be considered when calculating the gross estate value, since the debt reduction effectively increases the net value of assets passing to beneficiaries. I'd strongly recommend keeping detailed records of all your research into when and why each debt was canceled, including any correspondence with creditors. The IRS may ask for supporting documentation if they have questions about the exclusions claimed on Form 982.

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StarStrider

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This is really valuable insight, especially about the timing discrepancy between when debt is actually canceled versus when the 1099-C gets issued. I hadn't thought about that possibility. Since we're dealing with what appears to be an old credit card debt, I'm wondering if there's a chance the creditor might have written it off internally before her death but just got around to issuing the 1099-C afterward. The form does have Code D marked, but now I'm second-guessing whether I should verify the actual cancellation date in Box 2 against her date of death. Do you have any recommendations for the best way to organize this documentation for the IRS? Should I include copies of correspondence with creditors when filing Form 982, or just keep everything on file in case they ask for it later?

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StarStrider

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You're absolutely right to double-check that Box 2 date against her death date - that's exactly the kind of detail that can make or break the tax treatment. Even if Code D is marked, if the actual cancellation date in Box 2 is before her death, it might not qualify for the death exclusion. For documentation, I typically recommend keeping everything organized but not submitting it unless specifically requested. Create a file with: 1) copies of all 1099-C forms, 2) any creditor correspondence showing cancellation dates/reasons, 3) death certificate, and 4) a simple timeline document showing the sequence of events. The IRS usually doesn't want supporting docs attached to Form 982 unless they specifically ask for them, but having everything organized makes it much easier if they do request additional information during processing. One more tip - if you find any discrepancies in the dates or codes, it's worth calling the creditor to get written clarification before filing. Better to resolve any confusion upfront than deal with IRS questions later.

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I'm going through this exact situation right now and this thread has been such a relief to find! My refund was offset for an old student loan debt about 6 days ago, and I've been checking my bank account obsessively ever since. The IRS notice was so vague - just said "remaining funds will be released" with no timeline whatsoever. Reading everyone's real experiences here gives me so much more confidence than trying to navigate government websites that barely explain anything. That 2-3 week timeline seems really consistent across different debt types and amounts, which helps me plan my budget instead of just hoping for the best. I'm definitely calling that BFS number (800-304-3107) tomorrow that so many people have recommended. Sounds like they can actually give you useful information about where your case stands, unlike the regular IRS line where you wait forever just to get generic responses. It's frustrating when you're counting on that money for expenses, but knowing that pretty much everyone here got their remaining refunds within that timeframe gives me hope. Thanks to everyone who shared their actual experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world information you can't get anywhere else!

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StarSeeker

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I'm in almost the exact same boat as you! Just got my offset notice yesterday for student loans and have been frantically searching for answers about timing. This thread has been such a lifesaver - I had no idea what to expect and was worried I might not get the remainder at all. That BFS number keeps coming up in everyone's responses, so I think I'll call them too once I hit the one week mark. It's so reassuring to see how consistent that 2-3 week timeline is across everyone's experiences here. The waiting is definitely stressful when you're budgeting around that money, but at least now we both have realistic expectations instead of just wondering in the dark. Thanks for sharing your experience - it helps to know there are others going through this at the same time!

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I'm currently going through my first offset situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My refund was offset for an old tax debt about 10 days ago, and I've been anxiously waiting to see what happens with the remaining funds. Reading through everyone's experiences here is so much more informative than the vague government notices they send out. What really stands out to me is how consistent that 2-3 week timeline seems to be across different types of debts and situations. I was worried it might take months or that I might not get the remainder at all, but seeing all these real experiences gives me confidence that the money will actually come through. I called that BFS number (800-304-3107) that everyone keeps mentioning and you're all right - they're way more helpful than the regular IRS line! They confirmed my offset was fully processed and that I should expect the remaining funds within the next week or so. Having that confirmation made such a difference for my stress level. The waiting is definitely tough when you're budgeting around that money, but at least now I have realistic expectations instead of just sitting here wondering if anything will happen. Thanks to everyone who shared their actual timelines and experiences - this community is amazing for getting real answers to stressful tax situations!

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Anna Xian

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I'm so glad you found this thread helpful too! I'm actually new to dealing with offsets myself and stumbled across this discussion while searching for answers about timing. It's amazing how much more useful real experiences from community members are compared to those confusing government websites. That BFS number seems like such a valuable resource - I didn't even know it existed until reading through everyone's posts here. It's really reassuring to hear they were able to give you specific information about your case and confirm everything is processing normally. The consistency in everyone's 2-3 week timelines across different debt types definitely helps set realistic expectations. I'm bookmarking this thread in case I ever need this information in the future - this kind of real-world insight is exactly what you need when dealing with stressful tax situations!

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I work for a health insurance company and can confirm what everyone else is saying - you absolutely don't need the physical 1095-B form to file your taxes! We get calls about this constantly during tax season, especially when our systems are down for maintenance (which always seems to happen at the worst possible time). The 1095-B is sent to the IRS directly from us, so it's really just for your records. Your tax preparer only needs to know that you had qualifying coverage through Blue Cross for the full year of 2024. That's literally all they need to properly complete your return. Since you mentioned you have all the coverage details already, you're 100% ready for your appointment. Don't reschedule - there's absolutely no reason to delay your filing over a form that's not required for submission. One insider tip: if you really want the form for your peace of mind, try calling Blue Cross early in the morning (around 7-8 AM) when call volumes are typically lower. Sometimes the phone reps can access systems that the website can't reach during maintenance periods. But again, you definitely don't need it to file!

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Wow, getting insight from someone who actually works for a health insurance company is incredible! This really puts my mind at ease knowing that this is such a common situation you deal with during tax season. I really appreciate the insider tip about calling early in the morning - I hadn't thought about timing my call strategically like that. Even though I now know I don't need the form to file, I think I will try calling tomorrow morning just to get it for my records once this whole situation is resolved. It's kind of funny (and frustrating) how insurance websites always seem to go down for maintenance right when people need their tax documents the most. Is that just bad timing or is there actually more website traffic during tax season that causes issues? Thank you for taking the time to share your professional perspective - it really helps to hear from someone on the inside of how these systems actually work!

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Great question about the timing! It's actually a bit of both. Tax season does create a massive spike in website traffic as everyone tries to download their forms at once, which can strain our systems. But honestly, a lot of the "maintenance" windows are also scheduled during this time because it's when we're doing updates to handle that increased load or fix issues that come up under heavy usage. From what I've seen internally, January through April sees about 300-400% more traffic to our member portals compared to the rest of the year. Everyone suddenly remembers they need their tax documents all at the same time! It's actually pretty predictable, which is why we try to do major system updates in December, but sometimes issues still pop up that require emergency maintenance. The early morning call tip works because most people don't think to call before 9 AM, so you're more likely to get through quickly and talk to someone who has access to backup systems or can manually generate your documents. Plus, the morning shift agents tend to be less burned out from dealing with frustrated members all day! Hope that helps explain the behind-the-scenes chaos of tax season from our perspective!

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Marcus Marsh

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As someone who went through a very similar situation last year with my 1095-B, I can definitely relate to your frustration! The good news is that everyone here is absolutely right - you don't need the physical form to file your taxes. I was in almost the exact same boat - had all my coverage information but couldn't access the actual form due to website issues with my insurance provider. My tax preparer assured me that just knowing I had continuous coverage through my employer-sponsored plan was sufficient for filing purposes. What really helped ease my anxiety was understanding that the 1095-B serves as a "receipt" for having health insurance rather than a required filing document. Since you already know you had Blue Cross coverage for the full year through your employer, you have everything your tax preparer needs to complete your return accurately. Don't let this delay your filing! The IRS receives these forms directly from insurance companies anyway, so there's really no need to stress about having the paper copy in hand. Your appointment can definitely proceed as planned. One thing I learned for future reference: I now screenshot my coverage details from my insurance portal in December each year, just in case their website has issues during tax season again. Might be worth doing once Blue Cross gets their system back up and running!

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Chloe Harris

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This is such helpful advice, Marcus! I love the idea about taking screenshots in December - that's really smart proactive planning. I definitely learned my lesson about not waiting until the last minute to gather tax documents, even though in this case it sounds like I didn't actually need to stress about it. Your explanation about the 1095-B being like a "receipt" for having health insurance really helps me understand its purpose better. I think that's the clearest way anyone has explained it in this whole thread! It makes so much more sense now why it's informational rather than required for filing. I'm feeling so much better about my appointment now. It's amazing how this community came together to help ease my anxiety about something that turned out to be much more straightforward than I thought. Thanks for sharing your experience and the practical tip for next year!

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