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Vince Eh

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I went through this exact same frustration about 3 weeks ago! The transition caught me completely off guard too. I ended up choosing LOGIN.GOV and it was actually pretty straightforward once I got past the initial confusion. Here's what I learned: your old EFTPS account and all your information is still there - they just added this new security layer on top. After setting up LOGIN.GOV (took about 10 minutes), I was able to access my same account with all my payment history, saved bank accounts, and even my scheduled quarterly payments. The IRS apparently made this change as part of a broader security upgrade across all their systems. While it was annoying at first, I have to admit the new authentication feels much more secure than the old PIN system. I'd recommend just biting the bullet and setting up one of the new login methods - LOGIN.GOV seems to be the more popular choice based on what I've seen here. Don't worry about losing your account data - it's all still there waiting for you once you get through the new login process!

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Edwards Hugo

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Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm still hesitant about making the switch but hearing that all the account data stays intact is reassuring. Quick question - when you set up LOGIN.GOV, did you have to verify your identity with documents like driver's license or passport, or was it just the basic email/phone verification? I'm trying to figure out how much time to set aside for this process.

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StarStrider

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For LOGIN.GOV, I only needed to do the basic email and phone verification - no documents required. The whole process was pretty quick: created an account with my email, verified it through the email they sent, then added my phone number and verified that with a text code. After that, it automatically connected me to my existing EFTPS account. I'd say give yourself about 15-20 minutes just to be safe, but the actual setup was closer to 10 minutes for me. Much simpler than I expected!

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Omar Hassan

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I went through this same transition about two weeks ago and wanted to share my experience since it sounds like a lot of people are dealing with this surprise change. The new LOGIN.GOV requirement initially frustrated me too, but once I got through the setup process, I actually prefer it to the old PIN system. The multi-factor authentication gives me more confidence that my tax payment information is secure, especially with all the identity theft issues we hear about these days. One thing that helped me was doing the LOGIN.GOV setup on a desktop computer rather than my phone - the interface seemed cleaner and easier to navigate. The verification process was straightforward: just email confirmation and a text message code to my phone. After connecting through LOGIN.GOV, I was relieved to find all my saved payment methods, scheduled payments, and payment history exactly where I left them. The IRS definitely could have communicated this change better to users, but the actual transition preserves all your existing account information. For anyone still on the fence about making the switch, I'd recommend just getting it done before your next payment deadline. It's a one-time setup that takes about 15 minutes, and then you're back to making payments as usual with better security.

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Thanks for the detailed walkthrough! I'm still pretty nervous about this whole transition but your experience sounds reassuring. I've been putting off dealing with this for weeks now, but my next quarterly payment is coming up soon so I really need to bite the bullet. One quick question - when you mentioned doing it on desktop vs phone, was there a specific reason the desktop worked better? I tend to do most of my banking and tax stuff on my laptop anyway, but wondering if there were any technical issues with the mobile version that I should be aware of. Also really glad to hear that the payment history stays intact. That was honestly my biggest worry since I use those records for my bookkeeping.

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Aisha Jackson

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I'm in almost the exact same situation as you, Paolo! Started an LLC about 18 months ago, got the EIN, but never actually used it for anything. I've been putting off dealing with the dissolution because the IRS guidance online is so confusing. After reading through all these helpful responses, I'm feeling much more confident about the process. It sounds like the key steps are: 1) complete the state dissolution first, 2) send a simple notification letter to the IRS via certified mail, and 3) keep good records of everything. One question I have is about timing - is there any deadline for sending the IRS notification letter after the state dissolution is finalized? I want to make sure I handle this properly but also don't want to stress about rushing if there's no specific timeframe required. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has been incredibly valuable for demystifying what seemed like a complicated process!

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Sasha Reese

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Great question about timing! From what I've researched and experienced, there isn't a specific IRS deadline for sending the notification letter after dissolution. The IRS doesn't have formal requirements for this notification since EINs technically don't get "cancelled." That said, I'd recommend sending it within a reasonable timeframe - maybe within 30-60 days of your state dissolution being finalized. This shows good faith effort to keep your records current and helps prevent any potential automated notices from being generated in their system. The most important thing is that you send it after your state dissolution is officially processed (not just filed), so you can include the correct dissolution date in your letter. Don't stress about rushing - focus on getting accurate information rather than speed. You've got the process exactly right! Once you have your state dissolution confirmation in hand, draft that simple notification letter and send it certified mail. Keep everything organized in a folder and you'll be all set. It really is much more straightforward than the confusing IRS website makes it seem!

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Ana Rusula

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This has been such a comprehensive and helpful discussion! I'm actually dealing with this exact situation right now - formed an LLC last year, got an EIN, but never used it for any business activities before deciding to dissolve it. Reading through everyone's experiences has really put my mind at ease about the process. The consensus seems clear: you can't "cancel" an EIN, but sending that notification letter to the IRS after your state dissolution is complete is definitely the right move for keeping everything clean. I particularly appreciated the practical tips about using certified mail for proof of delivery and waiting for the official state dissolution confirmation before sending the IRS letter. Those details make a huge difference for doing this properly. One thing that struck me from reading all these responses is how much confusion there is around this topic initially, but how straightforward it actually becomes once you understand the basic steps. The IRS website really does make this seem more complicated than it needs to be! For anyone else in this situation who might be reading this thread later, the key takeaways seem to be: 1) Complete your state dissolution first and get official confirmation, 2) Send a simple, straightforward notification letter to the IRS via certified mail, 3) Keep detailed records of everything, and 4) Check if your state has any additional filing requirements even for inactive LLCs. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community knowledge is invaluable for navigating these business administrative tasks that aren't always well-documented elsewhere!

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Mei Wong

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Anthony, I had a very similar situation last year and it drove me crazy trying to figure it out! One thing that helped me was requesting a transcript of my tax account from the IRS to see exactly how they calculated my Child Tax Credit. You can get your transcript online at irs.gov or by calling them. The transcript shows line-by-line how your credit was calculated and any adjustments that were made. In my case, I discovered there was a coding error where my filing status wasn't properly matched to my income, which triggered an automatic reduction. Since both you and your tax professional got the same result, there might be something in your tax record or a form that's causing the system to automatically reduce your credit. The transcript will show you the IRS's actual calculation versus what you expected, which should help identify the disconnect. It's frustrating when you're counting on that money, especially with young kids. Hope you can get it sorted out!

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This is excellent advice about getting the transcript! I went through something similar and the transcript was a game-changer. It showed me exactly where the IRS calculation differed from what I expected. One thing to add - when you get your transcript, look specifically at the "Account Transcript" rather than just the "Return Transcript." The Account Transcript shows any automated adjustments or system-generated changes that might not be obvious from your original return. In my case, there was an automated income verification process that flagged a discrepancy between my W-2 and what was on file, which triggered the reduction. Without the transcript, I never would have known this happened behind the scenes.

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Logan Greenburg

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I've been through something very similar and know how frustrating this can be! One thing that caught my attention - you mentioned being out of work for 3 months but still earning $46,000 total. This suggests you had a decent income when you were working, which is good for the credit calculation. Here's something specific to check: Look at your Form 1040 line 19 (Child Tax Credit) and compare it to what you calculated manually using the Child Tax Credit worksheet. Sometimes tax software has glitches or doesn't properly account for all circumstances. Also, double-check that your children's ages are entered correctly in your tax software. The system is very literal - if there's any discrepancy in birthdates or if a child aged out during the tax year, it can affect the calculation. Since both you and the professional got the same result, I'd lean toward either a systematic issue with how your specific situation is being processed, or there's a piece of information that's being consistently entered incorrectly. The transcript suggestion from Mei Wong is spot-on - that will show you exactly what the IRS sees and calculated. Don't give up! With your income level and two qualifying children, you should definitely be getting a substantial Child Tax Credit.

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This is really helpful advice, Logan! I'm definitely going to manually calculate using the Child Tax Credit worksheet to compare against what the software is showing. You're right that with my income level, I should be getting the full credit. One question - when you mention checking that the children's ages are entered correctly, do you mean just the birthdates or is there something else? Both my kids were 2 and 3 for the entire tax year, so they should definitely qualify. But I'm wondering if there's some other age-related field I might have missed. I'm going to request that transcript this week and see what it shows. Really appreciate everyone's suggestions - it's giving me hope that this can actually be resolved!

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Callum Savage

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation with my S-Corp and was wondering about the phone deduction. One thing I'm curious about - how do you all track your business vs personal usage percentage? I feel like estimating 70% business use is reasonable for my situation, but I'm worried about justifying that number if the IRS ever asks. Do you keep detailed logs, or is it more of a reasonable estimate based on your work patterns? My phone is definitely essential for client calls, emails, and coordinating with vendors, but I also use it for personal stuff in the evenings and weekends. Also, does the same logic apply to tablets? I'm thinking about getting an iPad for presenting to clients and managing project documents on job sites.

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Great questions! For tracking business vs personal usage, I'd recommend keeping a detailed log for at least one representative month to establish your baseline percentage. Track things like business calls, emails, app usage for work, GPS for client visits, etc. vs personal activities. Once you have that documented pattern, you can reasonably apply that percentage going forward. The IRS likes to see that you had a reasonable method for determining the business use percentage, not just a guess. Some people use phone apps that can help track this automatically, or you could manually log it in a simple spreadsheet. For the iPad question - absolutely the same logic applies! Tablets used primarily for business (client presentations, project management, etc.) can be deducted the same way as phones. Just make sure you can document the business use and keep good records of the purchase and how you use it for work. The key is having documentation that shows your business use percentage is reasonable and based on actual usage patterns, not just pulled out of thin air. That 70% estimate sounds very reasonable for someone actively using their phone for client communication and business operations!

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Kevin Bell

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I've been dealing with this exact situation for my marketing consultancy S-Corp. My accountant gave me similar advice - 100% deduction on the phone purchase since it's primarily business use, but only the business percentage on monthly service. One thing that helped me was actually documenting my business use for a full quarter to establish a defensible percentage. I tracked business calls, client emails, work-related apps, GPS usage for client meetings, etc. Ended up with about 75% business use, which felt much more solid than just estimating. For record keeping, I created a simple one-page memo explaining why the phone is necessary for my business operations (client calls, email access, scheduling, document reviews on the go, etc.) and kept all purchase receipts. The monthly bills I highlight the business percentage and keep a running total. The peace of mind from having proper documentation is worth the extra effort, especially with S-Corps where everything flows through to your personal return. Better to be over-prepared than scrambling if you ever get questioned on it.

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Evelyn Kelly

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This is exactly the kind of thorough approach I needed to hear about! I've been putting off documenting my usage patterns because it seemed like a hassle, but tracking for a full quarter to establish that 75% baseline sounds totally doable. I really like your idea of creating that one-page business necessity memo - that seems like something that would be super helpful if the IRS ever had questions. Did you include specific examples of how you use the phone for each type of business activity, or keep it more general? Also, when you say you highlight the business percentage on monthly bills, do you literally highlight it on the physical bill, or do you create some kind of separate calculation sheet? I'm trying to figure out the most professional way to document this for my records. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this - it's way more helpful than just the general tax advice!

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Ethan Moore

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Be very careful about this arrangement - there are several red flags here that could get you in trouble with the IRS. The combination of cash payments, using your own crew, and working for the same employer in dual roles needs to be handled extremely carefully. First, the "substantially different work" test is critical. Your contractor work must be genuinely different from your employee duties, not just the same work done at different times. If you're doing similar construction work, the IRS might view this as your employer trying to avoid payroll taxes on overtime or additional regular work. Second, regarding your helpers - if you're providing equipment and directing their work, they're likely YOUR employees, not subcontractors. This means you'd need to handle payroll taxes, workers' comp, and all employer obligations. Many people miss this and face significant penalties. The cash payment preference is concerning. While not illegal if properly reported, it often indicates the employer wants to keep things "off the books." Make sure you get proper documentation (1099-NEC) and report ALL income. I'd strongly recommend getting professional tax advice before proceeding. The potential for worker misclassification issues, unreported income problems, and employment law violations could be very costly. Consider whether the extra income is worth the compliance complexity and potential risks.

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This is exactly the kind of thorough analysis I was hoping to see! You've highlighted some serious concerns that I think many people overlook when they jump into these dual-role arrangements. The "substantially different work" test is particularly important - just because it's nights and weekends doesn't automatically make it contractor work if you're essentially doing the same construction tasks. The IRS looks at the nature of the work itself, not just the timing. Your point about the helpers is spot-on too. I've seen so many small contractors get hit with massive back-taxes and penalties because they misclassified workers as 1099 contractors when they should have been W-2 employees. The control factor is huge - if you're telling them how to do the work and providing the tools, you're likely their employer. Given all these complexities, do you think it might be worth suggesting that the original poster consider negotiating for overtime pay or a raise in their regular employee role instead? It seems like that might be simpler and less risky than this hybrid arrangement, especially with all the potential compliance issues.

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Ava Thompson

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You've received some excellent advice here, but I want to emphasize one crucial point that could save you from serious legal trouble: the IRS has been cracking down hard on "sham contractor" arrangements, especially in construction. The fact that your boss prefers cash payments and you'd essentially be doing construction work (just at different times) raises major red flags. The IRS doesn't just look at when you work - they examine whether the work is truly independent contracting or if it's just a way to avoid overtime and payroll taxes. Here are the key tests the IRS uses: - Do you have the right to control HOW the work is done? (Sounds like yes) - Are you economically dependent on this employer? (You're already their employee) - Is this work integral to their business? (Construction work for a construction company - yes) If you fail these tests, the IRS could reclassify all your "contractor" payments as employee wages, meaning your boss owes back payroll taxes, penalties, and interest. Worse, if they try to claim you were responsible for the taxes, you could be stuck with a massive bill. Before you proceed, I'd strongly recommend having your boss consult with an employment attorney or tax professional. Many employers think they can just call someone a contractor, but the legal requirements are strict. Getting this wrong isn't just expensive - it can result in criminal charges for willful misclassification. Consider asking for overtime pay or a raise instead. It's much cleaner legally and financially.

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This is really eye-opening - I had no idea the IRS was cracking down so hard on these arrangements. The way you've laid out those tests makes it pretty clear that what my boss is proposing probably wouldn't pass scrutiny. The economic dependence factor is particularly concerning since I'm already getting my main income from them as an employee. And you're absolutely right that construction work for a construction company would be considered integral to their business. I'm starting to think the overtime/raise route might be the way to go. Even if the "contractor" work paid more per project, dealing with potential IRS issues, managing employees (my helpers), and all the compliance headaches doesn't seem worth it. Do you happen to know what kind of penalties we'd be looking at if the IRS did reclassify this arrangement? I want to have some concrete numbers when I talk to my boss about why this might not be such a good idea.

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