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Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but you should also ask your employer if they can issue a corrected W-2. If they acknowledge it was their payroll system error, they might be willing to handle the employer portion of the taxes that should have been withheld. Had a similar issue at my last job and the company actually covered about 40% of what I owed since it was their mistake.
Wait, can employers actually do that? I assumed once the year was over, all the tax stuff was set in stone. Can they really go back and fix withholding errors after the fact?
They can't change the actual withholding after the year ends, but there are a couple of options. First, they can issue a corrected W-2 if there were actual errors in reporting. More practically though, some employers will provide compensation to cover tax liabilities resulting from their payroll errors - basically paying you an additional amount to offset some of your tax burden. This isn't required by law, but many companies have policies for this since payroll errors can cause significant financial hardship for employees. It's worth having a conversation with both HR and payroll about their error resolution policies. Document everything, be polite but firm that this was their error, and ask what they can do to help make it right.
Something similar happened to me last year. Make sure when you file that you check if you qualify for the "Estimated Tax Penalty" waiver - Form 2210. There's a special waiver if your withholding was done correctly in the beginning of the year but then stopped. You'll still owe the taxes but might get the underpayment penalty waived.
One thing no one has mentioned yet - did you check if your broker has any residual cash from the company's wind-down? Sometimes when companies fold, there's a small liquidation distribution that gets sent to your brokerage account. You'll want to account for that as it reduces your loss slightly. Also, check if your shares were held in a custodial account somewhere. Even though the company is gone, the shares might still be reflected in some brokerage account, which would make documentation easier.
I hadn't thought about checking for residual distributions. That's a great point! Do you know if the broker would have sent any notification about this, or would I need to call them specifically to ask?
They typically send a notification, but these can easily get missed, especially if they went to an old email address or got filtered as spam. I'd definitely recommend calling your broker directly and asking if there were any final distributions related to the company. Sometimes these distributions are very small (like pennies per share) but they still affect your tax basis. Also, ask if they have any record of the exact date the shares became worthless in their system. Brokers often have this information officially recorded, which can be very helpful for tax documentation.
Has anyone considered the impact of the ESPP discount on your cost basis? When you participate in an ESPP, you often get shares at a discount to market value. That discount is generally considered compensation income. For example, if the fair market value was $100 per share but you paid $85 through the ESPP (15% discount), that $15 discount should have been reported as income on your W-2 in the year of purchase. Your actual cost basis would then be $100 ($85 paid plus $15 reported as income). This could affect how much loss you can claim now that the shares are worthless.
One thing nobody has mentioned is that W-2 withholding is treated differently than estimated payments when it comes to underpayment penalties. Withholding from paychecks is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if it didn't. So if you have both self-employment income AND a regular job, you could potentially increase your W-2 withholding toward the end of the year to make up for any estimated payment shortfalls from earlier quarters. The IRS treats that withholding as if it happened throughout the year, which can help you avoid the penalty. I do this every December - calculate what I might be short on estimated payments and adjust my W-2 withholding for my last few paychecks to compensate.
Does this also work with retirement account withholding? I take distributions from my IRA and could potentially increase the withholding there instead of making estimated payments.
Yes, it absolutely works with retirement account withholding too! Any federal income tax withholding (from W-2 wages, retirement distributions, etc.) is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, regardless of when it actually happened. So increasing your IRA distribution withholding late in the year is a perfectly valid strategy to make up for estimated payment shortfalls. It's especially useful if you realize in November or December that you're going to owe more than expected.
One thing to be aware of is that the 100% of previous year's tax (or 110% for higher incomes) safe harbor is based on your TOTAL tax from last year, not just what you paid in estimated payments. So you need to look at your 2024 Form 1040, line 24 (Total Tax) to know what number you need to hit for 2025. This includes self-employment tax, additional Medicare tax, net investment income tax, etc. - not just income tax. Also, if your income is over $150,000 (or $75,000 if married filing separately), you need to pay 110% of last year's tax to meet the safe harbor, not just 100%.
Don't forget to claim all your mileage from doing Doordash! I did delivery apps in 2021 too and the standard mileage deduction was 56 cents per mile. That adds up FAST and can reduce your taxable income significantly. Make sure you go back and estimate your mileage as accurately as possible - total miles driven for deliveries, not just from restaurant to customer but also getting to the restaurant. If you drove 100 miles a week for Doordash, that's about $2,912 in deductions for the year!
Wait really? The mileage deduction is that much? I never tracked my miles but I was doing Doordash like 4 nights a week for about 8 months. How would I even calculate that now after so much time has passed?
You can create a reasonable estimate based on your delivery history. Most delivery apps keep a record of your deliveries - try to get that data from Doordash if you can. If that's not possible, make a good faith estimate. Calculate your average deliveries per shift, estimate miles per delivery (including driving to pickup locations), and multiply by your working days. Document how you arrived at this estimate in case of questions. For 4 nights a week for 8 months, you're looking at roughly 128 working days. Even at a conservative 30 miles per shift, that's 3,840 miles or about $2,150 in deductions! Just be honest but thorough - this could significantly reduce what you owe.
Make sure you also check if you need to file a state tax return for that Doordash income! The IRS notice is just for federal taxes, but most states will also want their cut and have separate filing requirements.
Good point about state taxes. One thing to add - some cities also have local income taxes that apply to self-employment income. I found out the hard way after getting a notice from my city tax department a year after dealing with the IRS!
Zoe Wang
One thing to watch out for - if your MBA would qualify you for a new trade or business (like switching careers completely), the IRS might disallow the deduction. I tried to deduct my MBA when I was transitioning from property management to investment banking and got audited. Make sure your education is improving skills for your CURRENT business, not preparing you for something new.
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Tyler Lefleur
ā¢Thanks for that warning. My goal isn't to change careers - I'm planning to expand my real estate portfolio and possibly move into commercial properties in the future. Would that still count as my "current" business or would the IRS see commercial real estate as a new trade?
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Zoe Wang
ā¢Expanding from residential to commercial real estate would generally still be considered the same trade or business since you're still in property management and real estate investment. The IRS would likely view this as a natural progression within your current business rather than entering a new field entirely. Going from real estate into something completely different like investment banking (as in my case) is what triggers the "new trade or business" limitation. Just make sure you document your intention to expand within real estate rather than presenting it as preparation for a career change.
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Connor Richards
Has anyone used TurboTax to claim education expenses for rental property? I'm trying to figure out where to enter this and it's not obvious. The education expense section seems focused on student tax credits not business deductions.
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Grace Durand
ā¢In TurboTax, you'd enter it under the Schedule E section for your rental property. When you get to the expenses part for each property, there's an "Other Expenses" category where you can add custom expense items. That's where I put my real estate continuing education costs last year.
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