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Extension or not, you HAVE to pay what you estimate you owe by the original deadline or you'll get hit with penalties! The extension only gives you more time to file the paperwork, not more time to pay. I learned this the hard way last year and got charged penalties AND interest on what I owed. Don't make my mistake!

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So even if I explain to the IRS that I couldn't file accurately because my employer hasn't given me my W-2, they'll still charge penalties if I end up owing?

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Exactly. The IRS doesn't care why you couldn't pay on time - they only care that you didn't pay by April 15. Your issue with your employer is separate from your obligation to pay taxes on time. That's why you need to make your best estimate and pay that amount by the deadline. Think of it this way: the IRS considers your taxes due as you earn income throughout the year. The April 15 deadline is already a grace period to finalize everything. So waiting on documents doesn't extend your obligation to pay what you already owe.

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Has anyone actually had success disputing penalties due to employer W-2 delays? My HR departmentt is a complete disaster this year and I'm in the same boat.

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I went through this in 2023 and couldn't get the penalties removed despite documenting all my attempts to get my W-2 from my ex-employer. The IRS agent told me it's my responsibility to estimate and pay on time regardless of having the final documents. It really sucks but that's how they enforce it.

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StarStrider

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I think there's also an ethical question here beyond just "can you report it?" and "will the IRS care?" Consider your relationship with your cousin and family dynamics. Tax fraud is wrong, but is reporting your cousin worth potentially destroying family relationships? Maybe try talking to him first about how serious this is and the penalties he could face if caught? The penalties for tax fraud can include up to 75% of the underpaid tax amount plus potential criminal charges in serious cases. Maybe sharing that information might scare him straight without you having to make a report.

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But if you warn them, won't they just hide the evidence better? I had a former friend who was doing something similar and when someone in our group warned him, he just got more sophisticated about hiding it. Sometimes people need to learn consequences the hard way.

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StarStrider

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That's a fair concern. If someone is determined to commit fraud, a warning might just make them better at concealing it. However, sometimes people genuinely don't realize the severity of what they're doing - they might see it as "bending the rules" rather than committing a federal offense. If you think your cousin might be receptive, a gentle approach might work: "Hey, I'm concerned about what you told me about your taxes. Those penalties can be really serious." But if they've shown they don't care about the rules or might become defensive, then you're right that a direct confrontation might not help the situation.

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Sofia Torres

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The IRS whistleblower program actually pays rewards if the tax fraud is substantial enough! But there's a catch - it only applies if the tax, penalties and interest exceed $2 million AND the person's annual gross income exceeds $200,000. Sounds like your cousin is way below that threshold, but thought it was worth mentioning. For smaller cases like this, you'd use Form 3949-A as others mentioned, but there's no reward. I've heard the IRS is pretty overwhelmed so smaller cases might not get immediate attention, but they do keep records and if patterns emerge they might investigate.

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Is there any way to find out what happened after you submit a tip? Like do they tell you if they investigated or collected more tax? I reported an employer a few years ago who was paying people under the table but never heard anything about what happened.

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Oliver Cheng

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Something nobody mentioned yet - look into "demonstration projects" for contractors. My brother-in-law is a bathroom remodeler and he has a specific business policy where he does one showcase project per year at a deep discount (sometimes even at cost) specifically for marketing purposes. He documents everything, has clients sign releases acknowledging the marketing purpose, and his accountant handles it differently than regular personal expenses. Might be worth asking a tax professional about this specific approach since it's common in the trades.

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Ellie Kim

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This is really interesting! Do you know if he does these showcase projects in his own home or just for select customers? And does he still write off the full cost or just a portion?

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Oliver Cheng

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He typically does these for customers, not in his own home. The key is that there's a clear business purpose that's documented - he has customers sign a marketing release allowing him to photograph, film and show the project to potential clients. He even hosts small open houses where prospective clients can see the finished work. His accountant categorizes these as marketing expenses, but only the portion that's discounted. So if a $10,000 job is done for $6,000, he can write off $4,000 as a marketing expense. He's very careful to document everything and has a written business policy about these showcase projects. I still think your own home would be much trickier to justify, but talking to a tax pro about a formal "demonstration project" policy might be worth exploring.

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Taylor To

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Don't forget about Section 179 deduction for tools and equipment! When I started my woodworking business I was able to deduct almost $18k in equipment purchases my first year instead of depreciating them slowly. Table saw, planer, drum sander, dust collection system - all business assets. Also track EVERY mile you drive for business purposes with an app like MileIQ. Picking up materials, driving to client sites, etc. The mileage deduction adds up crazy fast.

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Ella Cofer

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The mileage tracking is so crucial. I neglected this my first year and probably lost thousands in deductions. Do you know what the rate per mile is for 2025? And does MileIQ work automatically or do you have to remember to turn it on?

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StarSurfer

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Completely unrelated to the tax question but I would suggest getting your own account asap. Having a joint account with someone who is "bad with money" is asking for trouble, even if it's your mom. What if she overdrafts it and all your automatic payments bounce? Just my 2 cents from personal experience.

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That's actually really good advice and something I've been considering. Did you have trouble separating your finances from the joint account holder? I'm worried that if I pull my money out suddenly it might look suspicious for tax purposes.

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StarSurfer

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When I separated my finances from my dad's joint account, I opened a new account first, then gradually moved over my direct deposits and auto-payments over a period of about a month. That way there wasn't a sudden large withdrawal that could raise flags. I also kept really clear records of which money was mine versus his in the joint account, and made sure I only took my portion. For your situation, since the deposit is clearly your mom's settlement, you should have no problem leaving that untouched while taking your pre-existing balance.

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Ava Martinez

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Have you considered setting up a completely separate account for the certificate/CD instead of mixing it with your existing joint account? Most banks will let you set up a CD in multiple names with "and" designation so both of you would need to sign for withdrawals. That way her money stays completely separate from yours and there's no risk of accidental gift tax issues.

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This is the right answer! Keep the money separate from the beginning. My parents did this with some inheritance money and it made everything so much cleaner for taxes. Just make sure both names are on the new account.

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Have you thought about just selling everything in bulk on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist? That's what I did when I closed my online bookstore. I sold about $7,000 worth of inventory (original cost) for about $1,800. The nice thing was that since I had already expensed it all under cash accounting, that $1,800 was actually pure profit from a tax perspective - though obviously a loss from a business perspective. At least I got something back!

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Alfredo Lugo

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That's actually not a bad idea. Did you have to do anything special on your taxes when reporting that $1,800? Just list it as business income on the Schedule C?

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Yes, I just reported it as regular business income on my Schedule C for that final year. Nothing special required - just normal income reporting. My accountant did recommend I keep good documentation of the bulk sale with photos of the inventory and the sale listing/agreement, just in case there were any questions later about the business winding down. But the actual tax reporting was straightforward.

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Tasia Synder

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Another option nobody's mentioned yet - what about donating to a local school or community program? I donated my leftover craft supplies to an after-school program when I shut down my Etsy shop. While I didn't get a tax write-off (already expensed under cash accounting), it felt good knowing the items went to good use instead of the landfill. Some organizations will even pick up from you if the quantity is substantial.

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This is what I did too! Local theater group was thrilled to get my leftover fabric inventory. No tax benefit but serious karma points lol.

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Alfredo Lugo

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I like this idea a lot. Even if there's no tax benefit, at least the items would go to good use. Do you know if schools typically provide any kind of receipt for these donations?

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