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I think your bookkeeper's advice is partially right but missing something important. My husband and I were in an almost identical situation - I make about $85k and he gets Social Security of $34k plus we have investment income. What worked for us was a combination approach: I checked "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" on my W-4 AND added an additional amount on line 4(c). I calculated this additional amount by taking our investment income from last year (from the 1099), multiplying by our tax bracket (22%), then dividing by my number of paychecks per year. This approach has worked great for us the past two years. We get a small refund (~$500) instead of owing thousands. And we didn't need to touch my husband's Social Security at all.
Can you explain more about how you calculated that extra withholding amount? I'm in a similar situation but not sure exactly how to figure out the right number for line 4(c). Do you just use last year's investment income or try to estimate the current year?
I look at our investment income from the previous year as a starting point. For example, if our 1099s showed $10,000 in investment income and we're in the 22% tax bracket, that's $2,200 in taxes. If I get paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks), I'd put about $85 extra on line 4(c). I actually use a slightly more complex approach now. I take our average investment income over the past 3 years to account for fluctuations. If we have an unusually good year, I might bump it up mid-year when I see how the investments are performing. You can update your W-4 anytime with your employer.
Has anyone considered making quarterly estimated tax payments instead of adjusting withholdings? I have a similar situation with investment income that varies year to year, and I find it easier to just make a quarterly payment when I know how the investments are performing rather than trying to predict it at the beginning of the year.
I'm not sure if this is relevant, but make sure you also check the "Where's My Refund" tool on the IRS website, not just your transcript. Sometimes the offset information appears there first with a specific message like "Your refund has been adjusted" instead of "Refund approved". In my case last year, my transcript showed a refund date but WMR showed the adjusted message, and sure enough, my refund was offset.
Thanks for the tip! I just checked WMR and it still says "Refund Approved" with the full amount and the same direct deposit date that's on my transcript. No mention of any adjustments or changes. Hoping that's another good sign!
One thing nobody's mentioned - even if your refund does get offset, you can sometimes get it back if you're on a payment plan. I had my refund offset last year even though I was on a payment plan with my state. I called my state tax office, explained the situation, and they actually refunded the offset amount back to me since I was in compliance with my payment agreement. Worth trying if your refund does end up getting grabbed!
For anyone interested in maximizing their Roth, don't forget about the "Mega Backdoor Roth" if your employer 401k allows after-tax (not just Roth) contributions and in-plan conversions or in-service distributions. This is separate from the regular backdoor Roth strategy and lets you potentially put up to $40k+ extra into Roth accounts depending on your plan limits and employer contributions. Not many employer plans support this but it's worth checking if yours does.
Is there any way to do the Mega Backdoor Roth if your employer plan doesn't allow after-tax contributions? I've heard about using Solo 401ks but I'm not sure if that would work for someone with just a regular W-2 job and no side business.
Unfortunately, you need a 401k plan that specifically allows after-tax contributions (beyond the regular pre-tax or Roth 401k limits) to do the Mega Backdoor Roth. Without that plan feature, this strategy isn't available. If you have any self-employment income, even from a small side business or freelance work, you could potentially establish a Solo 401k with the right provisions. However, this only works with actual self-employment income - you can't use a Solo 401k for your W-2 income from your main employer.
I'm actually more concerned about Congress changing the Roth rules in the future. After seeing these billionaire Roth accounts, there's been talk about new restrictions or caps. Anyone worried the government will change the tax-free withdrawal promise before we retire? That's what keeps me from going all-in on Roth strategies.
Here's another option nobody mentioned - if you're dealing with standard Workforce Intuit payroll PDFs, you can use Python with a library called camelot-py. It's specifically designed for extracting tables from PDFs and works WAY better than generic converters for financial documents. I wrote a simple script that pulls data from all our payroll PDFs and dumps it into a usable format. Happy to share the code if anyone's interested - just the basic version that works with standard Workforce layouts.
I'd definitely be interested in seeing that code! My Python skills are pretty basic but I can probably figure it out with some examples. Would it work for someone who's not a developer but can follow instructions?
Absolutely! It's actually pretty straightforward, even for Python beginners. The code is about 25 lines and mainly uses the camelot library which does most of the heavy lifting. You just need to install Python (if you don't already have it), then pip install camelot-py and pandas. I'll set up a simple version that works with the standard Workforce Intuit format and share it via DM. It basically loops through a folder of PDFs, extracts the tables, and outputs them to either CSV or Excel. You'll just need to point it to your folder of PDFs by changing one line in the code. I've documented it well with comments so you can see what each part does.
Have you considered just asking your Workforce Intuit account rep to add the Excel export feature? We had the same problem and after enough complaining they actually added it to our account for no additional cost. Might be worth a shot before trying all these workarounds.
We tried that route and got a flat "no" - they said it was an enterprise-only feature and wanted an extra $5k per year to upgrade our whole account just for that functionality. Total ripoff.
Dana Doyle
I think the issue might be that your HR system is applying the wrong withholding table to your bonus. Bonuses should be withheld at the supplemental wage rate (usually 22% federal), not added to your regular income and then calculated. When they combine them, it makes the system think you make WAY more than you actually do annually. Ask your payroll department specifically if they're using the "aggregate method" or the "flat rate method" for supplemental wages. The flat rate method is usually better for most people because it doesn't cause this weird overwithholding issue you're experiencing.
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Payton Black
ā¢Thanks for this explanation - I had no idea there were different methods for withholding on bonuses. Do you know if I can specify which method I want them to use, or is that entirely up to my employer?
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Dana Doyle
ā¢It's technically up to your employer which method they use, but many payroll departments will accommodate your preference if you ask nicely. The flat rate method is actually easier for them to administer anyway. If they won't change their method, your other option is to adjust your W-4 withholding around the time you know you'll receive a bonus. You could increase your allowances temporarily for that pay period to offset the overwithholding. Just remember to change it back afterward!
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Liam Duke
Has anyone ever tried to calculate their "blended tax rate" manually to check if payroll is doing it right? I tried following some online calculator but got totally confused between marginal vs effective rates.
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Harold Oh
ā¢The blended or "effective" tax rate is just your total tax paid divided by your total income. So if you made $100,000 and paid $18,000 in federal income tax, your effective federal rate would be 18%. What confuses most people is that we have marginal tax brackets - different rates that apply to different portions of your income. Your first ~$12,950 is tax-free (standard deduction), then 10% on the next chunk, 12% on the next chunk, etc. Your highest marginal rate (the rate on your last dollar earned) might be 24%, but your overall effective rate will be much lower.
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