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One thing nobody's mentioned - if you file separately, BOTH spouses typically need to either both take the standard deduction or both itemize. You can't have one person itemizing and one taking standard. Also, you lose a bunch of credits and deductions when filing separately, including: - Student loan interest deduction - Earned Income Credit - Education credits like American Opportunity and Lifetime Learning - Child and Dependent Care Credit (in most cases) - Partial reduction in IRA contribution deductibility Run the numbers completely before deciding!
I had no idea about losing all those credits! That's super helpful info - I think we'd definitely lose more than we'd gain by filing separately. Can you explain more about the IRA contribution part? My husband maxes out his IRA every year.
For IRA contributions, when you're married filing separately, if you lived with your spouse at any time during the year, the income limit for deducting traditional IRA contributions is much lower - phasing out starting at just $10,000 of modified AGI. And for Roth IRAs, the contribution limit phases out between $0-$10,000 if you're MFS and lived together. So if your husband is making more than $10,000 (which it sounds like he is), his ability to make deductible traditional IRA contributions would be reduced or eliminated when filing separately. With a Roth IRA, he might not be able to contribute at all if filing separately. This is one of those "marriage penalties" built into the tax code that makes MFS disadvantageous for many couples.
Has anyone actually tried MFS and then switched back to MFJ? We did MFS last year because of my wife's income-based student loan repayment plan (her payment dropped by $250/month) and it was financially better overall even though we lost some tax benefits. But the tax prep was so much more complicated! Had to split mortgage interest, property taxes, charitable giving, etc. Plus some states require you use the same filing status for state as federal, which creates even more complications.
We've done both over the years depending on our situation. You're right that the prep is way more involved for MFS. The year we did it, we had to literally create spreadsheets to divide household expenses appropriately. Our tax guy charged us more too because it was basically preparing two separate returns. The student loan IDR benefit can be huge though. My wife's payments dropped about $300/month, which more than made up for the slightly higher tax bill. Just weigh all the factors carefully!
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is tracking expenses! I do about $5K in side gig work yearly and the biggest headache isn't filing taxes - it's making sure I have records of all my expenses throughout the year. Set up a simple spreadsheet or use an app like Stride to track everything you spend on your business. Save receipts (take photos with your phone) for everything. Track mileage if you drive anywhere for these gigs. Makes tax time SO much easier. Also, if you're planning to keep doing freelance work, setting aside 25-30% of each payment for taxes will save you from a nasty surprise at tax time.
Are there certain expenses that are particularly valuable to track for a relatively small side business? I'm doing mostly digital work from home, so I don't have a lot of obvious business expenses.
For digital work from home, there are several valuable deductions people often miss. Track your internet bill (you can usually deduct a percentage based on business use), any software subscriptions you use for work, your cell phone bill (again, the business percentage), and home office deductions if you have a dedicated workspace. Also don't forget about equipment - even if you're using your existing computer, you might be able to deduct a portion of its value through depreciation. Office supplies, professional development courses, and even some of your utilities can be deductible. Even small expenses add up when you're only making $3-4K from side work.
Just want to say as someone who's been self-employed for years, taking the job while pregnant isn't a bad idea at all. The paperwork isn't that complex for small amounts and you can literally do it whenever you have time. The tax software questios are basically: did you make money from self employment? how much? did you have expenses? list them. That's it. And the money could be great for baby stuff! Take the job if you want it, the tax part is not a reason to turn it down.
Totally agree! I started a side gig when my second baby was 2 months old. The flexibility was actually great with a newborn - I could work during naps or when my partner was on baby duty. And the extra money came in handy for all the surprise expenses babies bring!
The "marriage penalty" hits hardest when both spouses earn similar incomes. With your combined income around $135k, you're right at the edge where it starts to matter. Here's a quick example: For 2022, the 22% tax bracket for singles started at $41,776 and went up to $89,075. For married filing jointly, that same 22% bracket started at $83,551 and went up to $178,150. So if each of you made about $67.5k, as singles you'd each have about $25.7k of your income in the 22% bracket. But when combined for MFJ, you'd have about $51.5k in the 22% bracket - the total amount of income in that bracket is the same. BUT... When you got to higher brackets, the MFJ thresholds aren't exactly double the single thresholds, which is where the penalty can creep in. Plus, certain deductions and credits phase out based on combined income.
Wait I thought the marriage penalty was eliminated with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act? I've been telling all my friends who are getting married not to worry about it.
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act reduced the marriage penalty for many taxpayers, but it didn't eliminate it completely. It's true that for many tax brackets, the MFJ threshold is now exactly double the single threshold, which helps. However, the marriage penalty still exists in several areas: the highest tax brackets still don't have exactly doubled thresholds, and many credits and deductions have phase-out ranges that aren't doubled for married couples. Examples include the student loan interest deduction, capital loss deductions, and certain credits that phase out based on AGI. Also, SALT deductions and AMT can still create marriage penalties for some taxpayers. So while it's less common now, couples with similar higher incomes, like the OP with $135k combined, can still experience some marriage penalty effects, especially if they have other specific deductions that phase out.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - check if your employers correctly calculated your withholding after you changed your W-4s in September. I had a similar issue and discovered my payroll department kept withholding at the Single rate even though I submitted the updated form. Also, did either of you have any additional income besides your regular jobs? Even small amounts of extra income with no withholding (like interest, dividends, side gigs) can throw off your withholding calculations.
Oh that's a good point! I'm going to check our last few pay stubs from 2022 to see if the withholding actually changed after we submitted the new W-4s. And yes, I did have about $3,000 in freelance income that didn't have any withholding. I completely forgot about that! That might explain part of why we're owing.
Quick tip from someone who's been through the ERTC claim process - make copies of EVERYTHING before you mail it. I mean everything - your 941-X forms, any supporting documentation, even the envelope you're sending it in. Take pictures too. The IRS has been known to lose paperwork, and having proof of exactly what you sent and when can save you major headaches down the road. Use certified mail with return receipt as others suggested. And keep a detailed log of any communications with the IRS including dates, times, and names of representatives you speak with.
Does it help to send it via Priority Mail or does regular certified mail work fine? Also wondering if I should call the IRS first to verify the correct mailing address for 941-X forms?
Regular certified mail with return receipt is perfectly fine. The key is having that tracking number and delivery confirmation, not the speed of delivery. I wouldn't bother calling the IRS just to verify the address - those addresses are listed in the 941-X instructions and rarely change. Plus, getting through to someone just to ask about an address will be a huge waste of time. Just double-check the address in the most current version of the instructions (available on irs.gov) and you'll be good to go.
I'm confused about something else related to the 941-X. When claiming ERTC, do we need to issue corrected W-2s to employees since we're reducing the wages we previously reported? My payroll company is giving me mixed messages.
No, you don't need to issue corrected W-2s for ERTC claims. The ERTC doesn't change the wages you paid your employees or what was reported on their W-2s. The credit is based on qualified wages, but claiming it doesn't retroactively reduce the actual wages paid to employees. It's a credit for the employer only. The employees' taxable income and withholding amounts remain the same, so the original W-2s remain correct.
Drake
Has anyone tried requesting a First Time Penalty Abatement? I've heard that if you've filed and paid on time for the last 3 years, the IRS will sometimes remove penalties (but not interest) as a one-time courtesy, even if you don't have a reasonable cause.
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Sarah Jones
ā¢I did this last year! Had a $3400 tax bill with about $400 in penalties. Called the IRS, mentioned "First Time Penalty Abatement" specifically, and they checked my history. Since I had a clean record for the previous 3 years, they approved it on the spot. Still had to pay the tax and interest, but getting the penalties removed helped a lot. Definitely worth asking for!
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Drake
ā¢Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really encouraging to hear. Did you have to fill out any specific forms or did you just request it verbally over the phone? I've been a good taxpayer for years and this is my first time owing, so hopefully they'll do the same for me. I'll definitely make sure to specifically mention "First Time Penalty Abatement" when I call. Did they give you any pushback or was it a pretty straightforward process?
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Sebastian Scott
One thing nobody has mentioned is that you should file your return on time even if you can't pay what you owe!! The failure-to-file penalty is 5% per month (up to 25%) which is WAY higher than the failure-to-pay penalty (0.5% per month up to 25%). So file on time, pay what you can, and then set up a payment plan for the rest.
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Emily Sanjay
ā¢OMG this!!! I made this mistake last year and got HAMMERED with the failure-to-file penalty. Ended up owing like 20% more just because I was scared to file without having the money to pay. Worst decision ever. File on time people, even if you can't pay a dime!
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