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One important thing nobody has mentioned - you need to be super careful about the pro-rata rule if you have ANY existing pre-tax money in ANY traditional IRA accounts (including SEP or SIMPLE IRAs). The backdoor Roth strategy really only works cleanly if you have zero pre-tax IRA money anywhere.
THIS! I got hit with an unexpected tax bill because I forgot about an old 401k that I had rolled into an IRA years ago. The pro-rata rule made my "tax-free" conversion partially taxable.
Great question about timing! I went through this exact scenario last year and here's what I learned: You're correct that you can report the full $7,000 on Form 8606 even if you only have a 1099-R for $4,000 at the time you file. The IRS expects you to report ALL contributions made for the tax year, regardless of when you received the supporting documents. A few key points to keep in mind: 1. Make sure to designate your March contribution as a "2024 contribution" when you make it (your broker should ask) 2. Keep detailed records of both contributions with dates and amounts 3. The 1099-R you receive for the March conversion will be for tax year 2025, so you'll report that conversion on next year's return I'd recommend making your additional contribution and conversion before mid-March to give yourself some buffer time before the 4/15 deadline. Also, double-check that you don't have any other traditional IRA balances that could complicate the pro-rata calculation. The key is being consistent and thorough with your record-keeping - the IRS cares more about accurate reporting than perfect timing of tax documents.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to backdoor Roth contributions and was getting overwhelmed by all the timing considerations. Your point about designating the March contribution specifically for 2024 is crucial - I hadn't realized that was something I needed to explicitly tell my broker. Quick follow-up question: when you say "keep detailed records," what specific information should I be tracking beyond just dates and amounts? Should I be keeping screenshots of my broker confirmations or is there other documentation the IRS typically wants to see?
I went through something very similar with my daughter's taxes two years ago. The key thing that helped us was getting what's called a "detailed billing statement" or "account activity report" directly from the bursar's office (not just financial aid). This statement showed every single transaction - what scholarships were applied when, what they paid for specifically, and the exact dates. We discovered that some of her scholarship money had been applied to charges from a previous semester that weren't showing up correctly on the 1098-T. Also, double-check if your husband had any health insurance through the school that was paid by scholarships, or if any scholarship money went toward mandatory student fees that might not be considered "qualified expenses." These details can make a huge difference in what's actually taxable. The school's tax office (if they have one) or a tax professional who specializes in education credits might be worth the consultation fee to avoid overpaying. Don't just rely on TurboTax's calculations without verifying the underlying numbers first!
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping someone would mention! I never thought about getting a statement from the bursar's office - we only looked at what financial aid provided. You're absolutely right about the health insurance too. Now that I think about it, my husband did have the school's health plan last year, and I bet that was paid for with scholarship money but definitely wouldn't count as a qualified education expense. That could explain a big chunk of the discrepancy right there. I'm definitely going to call both the bursar's office and financial aid tomorrow to get those detailed statements before we file. Better to spend some time getting the right numbers than accidentally overpay on taxes or risk filing incorrectly. Thank you for the practical advice!
I dealt with this exact situation last year and want to share what I learned since it sounds like you're getting some good advice but might still be overwhelmed by all the different suggestions. First, definitely get that detailed bursar statement as others mentioned - it's the most important step. When I got mine, it showed that about $6k of what looked like "scholarship overage" was actually payment for things like mandatory health insurance, parking permits, and activity fees that aren't qualified education expenses. One thing that really helped me was making a simple spreadsheet with three columns: 1) What the scholarship paid for, 2) Whether it's a qualified expense (tuition, required fees, required books/supplies) or non-qualified (room, board, health insurance, etc.), and 3) The dollar amounts. This made it crystal clear what portion was actually taxable. Also, don't forget to check if your husband can claim any education credits (American Opportunity Credit) that might offset some of the tax burden from the taxable scholarship income. Sometimes you can actually come out ahead even with the extra taxable income if you qualify for the full credit. The good news is this is a very common situation and the IRS is used to seeing these types of reporting discrepancies. Just make sure you keep all your documentation in case you ever get questioned about it.
I'm a regular player on these social casinos and was disappointed to learn these aren't deductible! But it makes sense - I'm basically just buying entertainment. One thing to consider though - if you're a content creator or streamer who plays these games as part of your business, you might be able to deduct them as a business expense. That's what my accountant told me since I have a small YouTube channel where I review social casino games.
That's actually a really good point! What documentation do you keep to prove it's a business expense? Do you track which games you play for content vs personal entertainment?
For business expense documentation, I keep detailed records of which purchases are for content creation vs personal play. I maintain a spreadsheet tracking the date, amount spent, which game, and whether it was for a video/review or just personal entertainment. I also save screenshots of the content I create using those games and keep receipts of all purchases. My accountant said the key is being able to show a clear business purpose - like creating reviews, tutorials, or entertainment content that generates income. You need to be able to demonstrate it's an ordinary and necessary expense for your content creation business, not just personal entertainment you happen to film.
This is a great question that comes up a lot! The consensus here is correct - social casino purchases where you can't cash out real money are treated as entertainment expenses, not gambling losses. I've seen people get confused about this because it *feels* like gambling, but the IRS looks at whether there's actual monetary risk/reward. One thing I'd add is to be extra careful about record-keeping if you do have any legitimate gambling activities. The IRS can be pretty strict about documentation for gambling loss deductions, so you want to make sure you're not mixing entertainment expenses with actual gambling losses on your return. Keep those social casino receipts separate from any real gambling records to avoid any confusion during an audit. Also worth noting - if you're spending $2500+ on these games, you might want to consider whether that money could be better invested in tax-advantaged accounts like an IRA or 401k where you'd get actual tax benefits!
This is really helpful advice about keeping records separate! I'm new to all this tax stuff and didn't even think about the potential audit issues. Quick question - when you mention investing in tax-advantaged accounts instead, does that mean I should prioritize maxing out my IRA contributions before spending money on entertainment like these games? I'm trying to figure out the best order for my financial priorities.
Just a thought - are you receiving any government benefits? Some benefits like SNAP, housing assistance, SSI, etc. aren't considered taxable income, but they might affect eligibility for certain tax credits. Filing with zero income might still be useful to establish your financial situation for other assistance programs even if you don't get a refund.
I'd definitely encourage you to file even with zero income! One thing people often miss is that filing establishes your record with the IRS for the year, which can be helpful if you need to prove your income situation for other assistance programs or future tax years. Also, if you're under 25 and not claimed as a dependent, you might want to look into whether you qualify for any education-related credits even if you didn't work. Sometimes people have qualifying education expenses they paid for with loans, grants, or help from family that can still generate credits. The key is being thorough about ALL possible sources of income - even things like selling personal items online, cash gifts above certain amounts, or small amounts of interest from bank accounts. Every little bit can potentially help with credit eligibility, and it's always better to report everything than risk issues later.
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation and didn't realize that filing could help establish my record for other assistance programs. Quick question though - when you mention selling personal items online, is there a threshold for that? Like if I sold some old video games on eBay for maybe $50 total, would that need to be reported as income? I'm trying to figure out if small amounts like that are worth the hassle of including.
Dylan Campbell
Just wanted to share my experience - filed electronically on January 30th and received my Kansas state refund on February 7th, so exactly 6 business days! Used direct deposit and it showed up in my account before the KDOR website even updated the status. For what it's worth, I had a pretty straightforward return with no dependents or unusual deductions, so that probably helped with the quick processing.
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Keisha Brown
ā¢That's super encouraging! I'm hoping for a similar timeline - filed mine on February 3rd so should be getting close. Did you get any email notifications when it was deposited or did you just happen to check your account?
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Freya Nielsen
Filed my Kansas return electronically on February 3rd and still waiting - hoping to see it hit my account in the next day or two based on what everyone's sharing here! It's reassuring to see most people are getting theirs within that 7-10 business day window. Thanks for all the data points, really helps set expectations instead of just wondering.
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