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One thing nobody's mentioned - you might want to check if you qualify for the first-time homebuyer exception for early 401k withdrawals. You still have to pay income tax on the withdrawal, but you can avoid the 10% early withdrawal penalty if you used the money for qualifying first-time home purchase expenses (up to a $10,000 lifetime limit). If you're under 59.5 years old and the IRS included that 10% penalty in their calculation, you should definitely dispute that part of the notice by showing documentation that the money went toward your home purchase.
Wait, really? Does that mean I could potentially reduce what I owe? The notice does include something about an early withdrawal penalty. What kind of documentation would I need to prove it was for our home purchase?
Yes, if you're being charged the 10% early withdrawal penalty and you qualify for the first-time homebuyer exception, you could reduce your bill by that amount. For a $40,000 withdrawal (just guessing based on your tax amount), that could be around $4,000 in savings! You'll need documentation showing you used the funds for home purchase expenses within 120 days of the withdrawal. This could include your closing statement, purchase agreement, and records showing the money transfer from your 401k to your bank account and then to the closing. Submit these along with a letter explaining you qualify for the exception under IRC Section 72(t)(2)(F).
I got a huge tax bill for not reporting my Robinhood stocks a couple years ago. The penalty and interest were insane! I called the IRS and asked for a first-time penalty abatement since I had no previous tax issues. They removed over $2,000 in penalties just like that. You should definitely ask about this! The worst they can say is no, but if you've had a clean tax record for the past 3 years, there's a good chance they'll approve it.
This is great advice! I did the same thing when I got hit with penalties for underpayment. Called and politely explained it was my first mistake, and they waived all penalties. They won't offer this unless you specifically ask for "first-time penalty abatement." You'll still owe the taxes and interest, but removing penalties can make a big difference.
Thank you both! I'll definitely ask about this. I've never had any tax issues before, so hopefully I'll qualify. Even if they just remove the penalty portion, that would be a huge help.
Make sure you check if your school has any tax assistance programs! Many universities have free tax clinics run by accounting students (supervised by faculty) that specialize in helping fellow students with exactly these kinds of problems. I was in a similar situation last year and discovered our business school had a VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) program that helped me identify additional qualified expenses and properly document everything. They even helped me file an amended return and set up a payment plan with the IRS. Also, don't forget to check if you qualify for any education tax credits like the American Opportunity Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit. These can offset some of the tax liability from your taxable scholarship income.
I had no idea about university tax assistance programs. I'll definitely look into that! One question though - can I still claim education tax credits if I'm being claimed as a dependent on my dad's taxes? And would those credits go on my return or his?
If you're claimed as a dependent on your dad's tax return, then HE would claim any education tax credits based on your expenses, not you. The American Opportunity Credit and Lifetime Learning Credit would go on his return, which could help offset some of the family's overall tax burden. Your father should definitely look into claiming these credits since they can be substantial. The American Opportunity Credit can be up to $2,500 per eligible student, with 40% of it potentially refundable. Just make sure he has documentation of your qualified education expenses.
Has anyone dealt with this by asking the financial aid office to restructure their aid for the following year? After getting hit with a surprise tax bill my sophomore year, I went to my financial aid office and explained the situation. They were able to adjust how my aid was classified for the next two years - shifting more of it to be explicitly for qualified expenses and less as general living stipends. This didn't help with the tax bill I already had, but it prevented the problem from getting worse in future years.
I work in a university financial aid office, and this is definitely worth trying. Many students don't realize we often have flexibility in how we structure aid packages. We can sometimes designate more of your aid specifically for qualified educational expenses rather than living expenses, which can help with the tax implications.
I think there's a simpler way to look at this. For the bedroom rental period, you had personal use of 2/3 of the house and rental use of 1/3. For expenses that benefit the entire house (like repairs to common areas), you'd deduct 1/3 as rental expenses. For the period when the entire house was rented, 100% of expenses would be rental expenses. Don't overcomplicate by doing daily calculations unless it's a shared expense that spans both periods, like annual property taxes or insurance.
But what about expenses that only benefit the rented bedroom during the first half of the year? Would those be 100% deductible or still just 1/3?
If the expense only benefited the rented bedroom and had no benefit to your personal use areas, then you could deduct 100% of that specific expense. For example, if you painted only the rented bedroom or replaced a window in only that room, those would be fully deductible. However, most home expenses (like roof repairs, HVAC, plumbing, exterior painting, etc.) benefit the entire property and would need to be allocated based on the portion used for rental (1/3 in your case for the first period).
Don't forget to also track your "days of personal use" vs "days of rental use" on Schedule E! This is different from the allocation of expenses. The IRS wants to know the actual days the property was rented at fair market value, days it was available for rent but not rented, and days of personal use. In your case, for the bedroom rental period, you'd report 181 days of rental use for that portion. Then for the whole house rental, you'd report 170 days of rental use. It gets complicated with partial use properties but it's important to get right because it affects whether your rental is considered a business or a hobby.
Don't forget you'll also need to: 1. Issue a corrected K-1 to each shareholder showing the new ownership percentages 2. Make sure your corporate minutes reflect the proper ownership 3. Check if you need to file Form 8821 (Tax Information Authorization) for the new shareholder 4. Amend any state returns that were affected I went through this last year and the paperwork was a nightmare, but better than the alternative of having the IRS discover it during an audit. Our CPA said the penalties aren't just financial - they could potentially question the validity of your S election if your ownership records aren't consistent and accurate.
Does the 3rd shareholder also need to file an amended personal return if they didn't initially report their share of S-Corp income?
Yes, absolutely. Once you issue them a K-1 (even retroactively), they'll need to amend their personal return to include their share of the S-Corporation's income, deductions, credits, etc. This is crucial because the IRS matches K-1 information against individual returns. If your corporation was profitable and distributions were made, this could result in additional tax liability for that shareholder. If it showed losses, they might actually benefit from amending to claim their share of the losses (subject to basis limitations).
Has anyone ever used Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) as part of fixing their S-Corp ownership issues? Our accountant mentioned this might be relevant in our case but I'm confused about when it applies.
Form 8832 is typically used when you want to change how your business is classified for tax purposes (like switching from partnership to corporation). It's generally NOT needed for simply adding or changing shareholders in an existing S-Corp. What you need is an amended 1120-S and revised K-1s. Your accountant might be confusing this with Form 2553 (Election by a Small Business Corporation) which is used to elect S-Corp status in the first place. If your accountant is suggesting Form 8832 for this situation, I'd honestly get a second opinion.
Nina Fitzgerald
19 Be careful about the pro-rata rule! Everyone keeps saying your backdoor Roth conversion isn't taxable, but that's only completely true if you don't have any other pre-tax IRA money anywhere (Traditional, SEP, or SIMPLE IRAs). If you have other IRA accounts with pre-tax money, the conversion gets taxed proportionally. For example, if you have $95,000 in pre-tax IRA funds and do a $5,000 non-deductible contribution followed by a conversion, about 95% of your conversion would actually be taxable. The IRS looks at all your IRAs together when calculating this (called the pro-rata rule). Form 8606 handles this calculation. This trips up a lot of people and some tax preparers too.
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Nina Fitzgerald
β’7 This is super important info - I had no idea! If you have existing Traditional IRA money, is there any way to still do a backdoor Roth without triggering this pro-rata rule? I've got about $30k in an old Traditional IRA.
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Nina Fitzgerald
β’19 Yes, there's a workaround! If your employer's 401(k) plan accepts rollovers from IRAs, you can roll your existing pre-tax IRA funds into your 401(k) before doing the backdoor Roth. Since 401(k)s don't count in the pro-rata calculation, this effectively zeroes out your pre-tax IRA balance. This only works if your 401(k) plan allows for incoming rollovers from IRAs, so you'll need to check with your plan administrator. If this is possible, you could roll the $30k into your 401(k), then do a clean backdoor Roth conversion without pro-rata tax consequences. Timing matters though - you'd need to complete the rollover to the 401(k) before December 31 of the tax year you're doing the conversion.
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Nina Fitzgerald
21 Has anyone successfully gotten the IRS to correct this issue AFTER filing returns where the CPA incorrectly taxed the entire backdoor Roth conversion? I just realized my returns from 2021-2023 all have this same mistake.
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Nina Fitzgerald
β’4 You can file amended returns (Form 1040-X) for the previous years where this mistake was made. You'll also need to include Form 8606 for each of those years to establish your non-deductible basis. The statute of limitations for amending returns and claiming refunds is generally 3 years from the original filing date, so your 2021-2023 returns should all still be eligible for amendment.
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