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If you're claimed as a dependent and have unearned income, here's what you need to know about Form 8615: 1) The threshold for 2024 filing is $2,300 of unearned income 2) Unemployment is 100% considered unearned income 3) You must file Form 8615 if you're under 24, a full-time student, claimed as a dependent, and exceed the threshold 4) The form calculates tax on your unearned income at your parents' tax rate I'm a tax preparer and see this confusion every year with students on unemployment. Form 8615 is definitely required in your situation - TurboTax is correct. You'll need to get your parents' taxable income figure from their return to complete it properly.
Does this apply if the parents file separately too? My parents are divorced and I'm claimed on my dad's return, but does my mom's income matter for Form 8615?
If your parents are divorced, you only need the taxable income from the parent who claims you as a dependent. So in your case, you only need your dad's information, not your mom's. For married parents filing separately, you'd need to use the taxable income of the parent with the higher taxable income. The IRS has specific rules for different filing situations that determine whose rate applies to your unearned income.
Has anyone actually found a way to bypass the Form 8615 requirement in TurboTax? I'm in the exact same situation (student, on unemployment, parents claim me) but my parents are refusing to give me their tax info for "privacy reasons." I literally can't complete my return right now.
You might need to file by paper instead of e-filing. TurboTax won't let you e-file without completing all required forms, but you could print your return and mail it in without Form 8615. Just know that this might trigger a letter from the IRS later if they determine you needed that form.
Instead of looking for creative ways to generate tax deductions, consider maxing out your retirement accounts first. 401k, IRA, HSA if eligible - these are all straightforward ways to reduce your taxable income without playing games with loans. Taking on debt just to get a tax deduction is rarely a winning strategy when you consider the total cost.
What if you've already maxed out all retirement accounts? Any other straightforward strategies that don't involve loans?
If you've maxed out traditional tax-advantaged accounts, there are still several options worth considering. Look into 529 plans if you have education expenses for yourself or family members. Many states offer tax deductions for contributions. Charitable giving is another straightforward strategy - donating appreciated securities can be especially efficient as you avoid capital gains tax and get the deduction. Tax-loss harvesting in your investment accounts can offset capital gains. If you're a business owner or have self-employment income, you might qualify for a SEP IRA or Solo 401k with much higher contribution limits than standard retirement accounts.
Has anyone tried the strategy where you take out a loan against your investment portfolio instead of selling assets? I heard the interest might be deductible and you avoid triggering capital gains taxes.
Yes, portfolio loans/margin loans can be tax-efficient. Interest is potentially deductible as investment interest expense (subject to some limitations - you can only deduct up to your net investment income). The big advantage is avoiding capital gains tax and not disrupting your investment strategy. Just be careful about margin calls if the market drops.
Just a quick tip from someone who paper files every year: make copies of EVERYTHING before you send it in. I mean everything - your 1040, all W-2s, 1099s, schedules, vouchers, even a copy of your check. I keep a complete duplicate set in a folder. Last year the IRS somehow lost one of my W-2s and sent me a CP2000 notice saying I owed more tax. Having my complete copy made it easy to respond with proof I had included it with my original return.
Do you scan everything or make physical photocopies? I'm wondering which is better for record-keeping purposes.
I do both actually. I make physical photocopies that I keep in a folder for the current tax year, but I also scan everything into a single PDF that I store on my computer with a backup on an external drive. Physical copies are good for quick reference and if you need to mail something to the IRS in response to a notice. Digital copies take up less space and can't get damaged by water or fire. The IRS accepts either one as proof if they question something on your return.
Has anyone had issues with missing refunds after paper filing with a non-resident alien spouse? I paper filed in February and still haven't received my refund. The "Where's My Refund" tool just says it's still processing. Getting worried...
Paper returns are taking 6+ months to process this year, especially if there's anything unusual like a non-resident alien spouse situation. The IRS is still catching up from the pandemic backlog. As long as your return was filled out correctly, your refund should eventually arrive. You can try calling the IRS refund hotline at 1-800-829-1954, but be prepared for a long wait. The Taxpayer Advocate Service might be able to help if it's been more than 6 months, but they're also overwhelmed with cases.
Just a heads up - what you're describing sounds like you want to avoid showing any profit year after year. This is a HUGE red flag to the IRS. Businesses are supposed to make profit eventually - if you never show profit, the IRS might reclassify your business as a hobby, which means you lose a ton of deductions. Look up the "hobby loss rule" - basically if you don't show profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, you risk being classified as a hobby, not a business. Then you'd lose all those business deductions.
Oh wow, I had no idea about the hobby loss rule. So even if I am legitimately reinvesting in my business, I need to show some profit occasionally? Does the amount of profit matter or just the fact that there is some?
The amount of profit doesn't have a specific threshold - it just needs to be genuine profit. The key is demonstrating that you have a profit motive, not just a tax reduction motive. Small profits are fine as long as they're real. What helps is having a business plan that shows your reinvestment strategy is part of a long-term growth plan that will eventually result in greater profits. Documentation is your friend here - keep records showing how your business decisions are commercially reasonable and aimed at eventual profitability.
random person with small business here! i was doing what ur talking about for 2 years - kept reinvesting every dollar back into my business and thought i was being smart with "zero profit" on paper. guess what happened? audit!!! š turns out some of my "business expenses" weren't legit business needs (like that fancy laptop that was way more than necessary). they reclassified like $7k as personal expenses and hit me with back taxes + penalties. not worth the stress!!! now i just plan for reasonable profit + taxes instead of trying to game the system.
Hailey O'Leary
Just to add something practical - I send contractors a complete packet when I hire them that includes the W9 form, instructions, and a letter explaining why I need it and the deadline to return it. I make signing and returning the W9 a condition of our first payment. Never had anyone refuse once they understand it's literally required for them to get paid. Just saying, setting expectations up front saves so much hassle later!
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Seraphina Delan
ā¢That's a smart approach. Do you have a template for that letter you could share? I think being more formal about it from the beginning might help.
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Hailey O'Leary
ā¢I don't have a shareable template handy, but it's pretty simple. My letter includes: 1) A brief explanation that tax law requires me to collect their tax information before making payments, 2) A deadline for returning the completed W9, 3) A statement that I cannot process payments without a completed W9 on file, and 4) A reminder that I'll be sending them a 1099 form by January 31st for any payments over $600. I also explain that protecting their information is important to me and describe how I store their documents securely. Most contractors appreciate the professionalism and clarity. Having this as part of your onboarding process for any new vendor relationship sets the right tone from the start.
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Cedric Chung
Quick question - what if they're a foreign contractor? W9 is for US persons only. If they're outside the US, you need to request a W-8BEN instead. Made this mistake last year and had to go back to all my overseas contractors for the right form.
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Jabari-Jo
ā¢You're absolutely right! This is a common mistake. For foreign individuals, you need Form W-8BEN. For foreign entities/businesses, you need Form W-8BEN-E. These forms certify that they're not subject to US tax withholding because they're foreign persons. The reporting requirements are also different. Instead of 1099s, you might need to file Form 1042-S for certain types of payments to foreign contractors. The rules get complicated depending on what services they're providing and where they're located.
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