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Don't overlook the relationship aspect of this. Even with family and close friends, money can create tension. I'd suggest writing up a simple agreement regardless of tax implications - just to keep everyone on the same page about expectations. My cousin and I had a similar arrangement that went sideways because we had different memories of the repayment timeline.
Do you have any suggestions for a template or example of a simple agreement that worked? I'm not sure what should be included besides the basics.
A basic promissory note doesn't need to be complicated. Include the names of both parties, the loan amount, when and how payments will be made, and any consequences for late payments. Even if you don't plan to enforce it strictly, having it written down prevents misunderstandings. You should also consider including what happens if you lose your job or have an emergency - would they allow you to pause payments? Will the term be extended? Better to discuss these scenarios upfront when everyone's happy. I found some free templates online that worked great - just search for "family loan agreement template" and customize one to your situation.
I received a $12,000 loan from my brother last year to pay off credit card debt. The way we handled it was creating a simple one-page loan document that specified no interest, monthly payments of $400, and what would happen if I missed payments. We both signed it and kept copies.
Something else to consider with two full-time jobs - it's not just about taxes but benefits too. I did this last year and discovered some weird overlaps: - My second job offered health insurance but I was already covered at my main job - 401k contribution limits apply across ALL your jobs combined (found this out the hard way) - PTO management becomes a nightmare juggling two schedules - You might hit Social Security tax limits and see a bump in later paychecks Just make sure you're looking at the whole picture. The extra money was nice but I was basically working 70+ hours a week and barely had time to spend any of it. Ended up quitting the second job after 5 months.
Did you have any issues with either employer finding out about the other job? I'm thinking about doing this but worried my main job might consider it a conflict of interest or something.
I didn't have any direct issues because the jobs were in completely different industries (office admin work during weekdays and retail on evenings/weekends). Neither company had policies against outside employment. However, I did almost get caught once when I had to call out sick from my weekend job and my manager there tried to reach me during a weekday meeting at my main job. I'd definitely recommend checking your employment contracts first. Some companies do have clauses about outside employment, especially if it could be considered a conflict of interest or if they think it might affect your performance.
The real hack here is adjusting your tax withholding correctly. Go to the IRS withholding calculator online, enter your info from BOTH jobs, and it'll tell you exactly what to put on your W-4 forms. I worked 2 full-time jobs for about 9 months in 2023 and actually got a $1,200 refund because I set everything up correctly from the start. The key is to select "Multiple Jobs" on your W-4 and possibly have extra $ withheld from each check. Don't listen to people who don't understand how tax brackets work. You'll never lose money by making more money. A higher tax bracket only affects the portion of income above that threshold.
I tried using that IRS calculator thing and got super confused. It asked for way more information than I had available. Is there a simpler way to figure this out?
Make sure you're also keeping track of what percentage of your home the office takes up! The square footage ratio is super important for calculating the deduction correctly. And don't forget you can only deduct furniture as a direct expense if you're using the actual expense method, not the simplified $5/sqft method.
Thanks for mentioning this! I'm using the regular method since my actual expenses are higher than what I'd get with the simplified option. My office is about 120 sq ft in a 950 sq ft apartment, so I'm tracking that percentage for shared expenses like utilities too. Do I need to take photos of the space to document that it's exclusively used for work?
Yes, taking dated photos of your office space is actually a great idea. Document that it's clearly set up as a workspace with no personal/non-business items visible. Having a floor plan showing measurements is also helpful documentation. With your measurements, you're looking at about 12.6% of your home being used for business, which seems reasonable and less likely to trigger extra scrutiny than higher percentages.
Lol at everyone overthinking this. Just deduct it. As long as you actually paid for it and use it for work, the IRS isn't going to care about the name on a furniture receipt. They barely have staff to process returns let alone investigate every home office desk purchase.
Unpopular opinion maybe but I think we DO have a say in where our tax dollars go - it's called voting! We elect representatives to make these decisions. If you don't like how money is spent, vote for candidates who share your priorities. The problem is most Americans don't bother researching candidates' positions on budget priorities. They vote based on a few hot-button issues or party loyalty without looking at actual budget proposals.
Voting barely matters tho. Both parties spend crazy amounts on military and corporate subsidies no matter who wins. The choices we get are so limited and once they're in office they do whatever lobbyists want anyway.
Voting absolutely matters, but you need to look beyond just the presidential race. Congressional, state and local elections have huge impacts on how your tax dollars are spent. In fact, a much higher percentage of your state/local taxes go to things that directly affect your daily life. You're right that there's bipartisan agreement on some big spending categories, but there are still significant differences in budget priorities between parties and individual candidates. The key is getting involved in primaries and supporting candidates who align with your spending priorities. Democracy isn't a spectator sport - it requires active participation beyond just complaining.
Has anyone tried writing to their congressman about this? I've heard they sometimes respond if enough constituents bring up the same issue.
I actually did this last year! I wrote to my representative about wanting more transparency in tax spending. Got a form letter back with general budget info. Not super helpful but at least they logged my concern.
Chloe Taylor
For what it's worth, the reason your M1 line 8 and Schedule K line 18 are probably different is due to state tax add-backs. Since state income taxes aren't deductible on federal returns for S corps, but are actual expenses on your books, this creates a reconciling item. The $24,500 difference you mentioned could easily be explained if your company paid around that amount in state taxes during the year. Check your state tax payments and see if they align with the discrepancy.
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Javier Torres
ā¢You might be onto something! I just checked our records and we paid approximately $26,200 in state taxes this year. That's pretty close to the $24,500 discrepancy I was seeing. How exactly should I handle this on the forms to make them reconcile properly?
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Chloe Taylor
ā¢You'll need to add the state tax amount back on your M1 form in the section for additions. Most state forms have a specific line for "Taxes paid to other states" or "State, local, and foreign income taxes." This addition reconciles the difference between your federal taxable income and state taxable income. Make sure you're only adding back income taxes though - other taxes like property tax or payroll taxes are generally deductible on both returns. Once you add this adjustment, your reconciliation between Schedule K line 18 and M1 line 8 should be much closer, if not exact.
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ShadowHunter
Has anyone else noticed that distributions to S corp shareholders can affect your basis calculations even though they don't show up on the M1? Last year I made a similar distribution and didn't track it properly, which caused major headaches when one of our shareholders tried to claim losses on their personal return.
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Diego Ramirez
ā¢Yes! This is super important. The $850k distribution OP mentioned won't show on the M1, but it MUST be tracked for each shareholder's basis. If their basis goes below zero because of distributions, they could end up with unexpected capital gains. I recommend keeping a basis worksheet for each shareholder from year to year.
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