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Don't delay filing your 1065! I made this mistake last year thinking I could just handle it later since we didn't have much activity, and the penalties added up fast. If you file now, you might qualify for first-time penalty abatement if you haven't had issues in the past. Also, file IRS Form 7004 right away for an automatic extension to September 15, which will stop additional penalties from accruing. You'll still owe penalties for missing the March deadline, but it prevents making the situation worse.

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Thanks for this advice. Is filing Form 7004 for an extension still helpful even though I've already missed the original March deadline? And do you know if first-time penalty abatement is something I can request myself or do I need a tax professional to help with that?

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Yes, filing Form 7004 is still helpful even after missing the deadline! It prevents additional penalties from accruing after the original due date. So while you'll still owe penalties for the period between March 15 and when you file the extension, you won't accumulate more penalties through September. First-time penalty abatement is something you can absolutely request yourself - you don't need a professional. After you file the late return, call the IRS business line and simply ask for "first-time penalty abatement." If you have a clean compliance history (no penalties in the past 3 years), they will often grant it over the phone. Just be polite and explain that you weren't aware of the filing requirements since this was your first year with actual business activity.

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Dmitry Popov

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If ur LLC is just 2 members, have u considered filing as an S-Corp instead? Could save u on self-employment taxes. U missed the deadline for 2023 but could elect for 2024. We did this with our small business and saved about 5k in taxes last year by paying ourselves reasonable salaries and taking the rest as distributions.

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That's not entirely accurate. S-Corps save on SE taxes but they have more compliance requirements like payroll tax filings and reasonable salary documentation. Plus the OP would need to file Form 2553 to elect S-Corp status, and retroactive elections can be tricky. Not worth the headache for a small LLC that's just starting out in my opinion.

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Don't forget about the safe harbor rules for quarterly taxes! As long as you pay 100% of last year's tax liability (or 90% of this year's), you won't face penalties even if you underpay a bit. Since this is your first year freelancing, you could potentially just pay in quarterly installments whatever you paid in total taxes last year, and you'd be safe from penalties. That might be easier than trying to calculate everything precisely.

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That's really helpful! But what if I didn't pay any taxes last year because I was a student and didn't have income? Does that mean I don't have to pay anything for this year's quarterly taxes, or am I misunderstanding the safe harbor rule?

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If you didn't have any tax liability last year, then technically 100% of last year's tax would be $0. However, in this situation, you'd need to use the other safe harbor provision of paying 90% of what you'll owe this year. Since this is your first year with self-employment income, you do need to make estimated quarterly payments. But the good news is that with your relatively low income level around $6,800, your total tax obligation won't be very high. You might actually qualify for certain deductions and credits that could significantly reduce what you owe.

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Omar Fawzi

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I'm also new to freelancing and quarterly taxes. Quick question - I've been hearing about the 1099 form. Will my clients send me those, or do I create them myself? And what do they have to do with quarterly taxes?

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NebulaNomad

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Your clients should send you a 1099-NEC form (for Non-Employee Compensation) if they paid you $600 or more during the year. You don't create these yourself. However, whether you receive 1099s or not, you're still required to report all your income and pay quarterly taxes on it. The 1099s are basically just documentation of what you earned, but you should be keeping track of all your income regardless of whether you get these forms. For calculating quarterly taxes, you'll estimate your annual income and tax liability based on your earnings, then divide by 4 to determine your quarterly payments.

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GalaxyGlider

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Double check your filing status on both software! Last year I had a huge discrepancy because I accidentally selected "Head of Household" on one software and "Single" on another. Since you have kids, make sure both are set to either "Head of Household" or "Married Filing Jointly" depending on your marital status. Also, verify that you entered your kids' Social Security numbers correctly in both systems and that you answered all questions about whether they lived with you full-time. The child tax credit has specific requirements that might be addressed differently in each software's interview process.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Just checked and my filing status is the same on both (Head of Household), and I triple-checked the SSNs for my kids. They did live with me full-time last year. I'm starting to think there's something weird in how TurboTax is handling the child tax credit questions. Maybe I'll try re-entering that section from scratch. Has anyone else noticed TurboTax getting less user-friendly over the years? I feel like their interview process used to be clearer.

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GalaxyGlider

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TurboTax definitely has become more confusing in recent years. Their interview process now seems designed to push you toward paid add-ons rather than clearly explaining tax situations. For the Child Tax Credit specifically, look for questions about your children's relationship to you, whether anyone else could claim them as dependents, and their residency. Sometimes these questions are tucked away in sub-menus or worded in confusing ways. If you're certain they qualify (under 17, lived with you over half the year, you provide over half their support), then FreeTaxUSA is likely calculating correctly.

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Has anyone compared the actual tax forms between the two software? I'd look specifically at: 1. Form 1040 Line 12 (Child Tax Credit) 2. Form 1040 Line 28 (Additional Child Tax Credit) 3. Schedule 8812 (Credits for Qualifying Children and Other Dependents) Seeing exactly where the numbers differ would immediately tell you what's causing the discrepancy. From what you described, I'm 99% sure it's the Child Tax Credit, but there could be other smaller differences too.

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Paolo Rizzo

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That's a great suggestion, thank you! I just downloaded the PDF of both returns and compared those specific lines. You were right - TurboTax shows $0 on Line 12 and Line 28, while FreeTaxUSA shows $1,400 on Line 12 and $600 on Line 28. Schedule 8812 is completely different between the two returns. Looks like I need to figure out why TurboTax isn't calculating my Child Tax Credit at all. Going to go back through all the dependent questions tonight!

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Have you considered gifting the stock directly to your wife's business instead of selling it first? I'm not a tax pro, but I did something similar with my LLC. Might be worth looking into.

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That's an interesting idea I hadn't thought of. Since her business is a sole proprietorship, would that even work? Wouldn't it still trigger a taxable event since it's essentially transferring to her personally?

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You're right that with a sole proprietorship it gets tricky since there's no legal separation between the business and the owner. If you formed an LLC or S-Corp first, you might have more options, but that introduces other complexities. One option might be to explore using the stock as collateral for a business loan to purchase the property instead of selling it outright. This way you keep the stock, avoid the capital gains for now, and can deduct the interest payments. The downside is you'd have ongoing debt, but if the stock continues to appreciate, it might be worth it long-term.

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Cass Green

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Does anyone know how the new business expense rules might impact depreciating commercial property? I heard there were some changes this year and wondering if that affects this situation.

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Commercial real estate is still depreciated over 39 years under straight-line depreciation. The recent changes mainly affected Section 179 expensing and bonus depreciation for personal property and qualified improvement property, not the building itself. For a sole proprietorship purchasing a commercial building, you'd still report the depreciation on Form 4562 and Schedule C. The property's purchase price (minus the value of the land, which can't be depreciated) determines your annual depreciation deduction.

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One thing nobody mentioned - check if your bank info was entered correctly when you filed! My first time filing I accidentally transposed two digits in my account number and my refund got rejected. Took an extra 6 weeks to get a paper check instead. Triple check those bank details if you chose direct deposit!

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Omar Fawaz

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Omg I didn't even think about that possibility! Just double-checked my return and thankfully the bank info looks right. Good looking out - that would've been such a headache to deal with!

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That's great you caught it in time! Another tip since it's your first time filing - save a PDF copy of your completed tax return somewhere safe. You'll often need info from previous year returns when filing next year, and it's super annoying to not have it handy.

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Does anyone know if filing in different states affects refund timing? I worked in both Nevada and Idaho last year and had to file in both. My federal refund came quickly (11 days) but I'm still waiting on Idaho...

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Aisha Khan

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I've had multi-state returns for years and state refunds are wildly inconsistent. Some states are quick (like 5-7 days) while others can take 2+ months. Idaho is notoriously slow in my experience. They were still using paper processing for a lot of their internal systems last I checked.

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