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I think I know exactly what's happening here. You're probably looking at the instructions for Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) where it might direct certain losses to other areas of the return depending on your specific situation. But even with passive activity or at-risk considerations, business losses would never be reported as dividends. Here's the correct flow for Schedule C losses: 1. Net loss flows from Schedule C to Schedule 1, Line 3 2. Then from Schedule 1 to Form 1040, Line 8 3. If you have at-risk limitations, you'd use Form 6198 first 4. If you have passive activity limitations, you'd use Form 8582 first For Schedule SE - the $434 threshold is the minimum self-employment income required to owe SE tax. Below that = no Schedule SE needed.
Thank you so much for this breakdown! I think I was definitely mixing up the line numbers between Schedule 1 and Form 1040. I just double-checked and you're right - my Schedule C loss should go on Schedule 1, Line 3, not Form 1040, Line 3. That makes SO much more sense than reporting a business loss as dividend income! I'm also glad to have confirmation about the Schedule SE threshold. Since my net earnings are below $434, I'll skip filing that form altogether.
Happy to help! That line number confusion between Schedule 1 and Form 1040 is surprisingly common. The IRS doesn't make it easy with their form redesigns over the years. Just one more tip - even though you don't need to file Schedule SE, keep good records showing your calculation of net earnings that proves you're under the $434 threshold. That way, if you ever get questioned, you can easily demonstrate why you correctly didn't file Schedule SE.
Is anyone using tax software for their Schedule C? I've been using TurboTax and it automatically puts everything on the right lines - it wouldn't let me put business losses on the dividend line even if I tried. Might be worth the investment to avoid these kinds of headaches.
I use FreeTaxUSA and it works great for Schedule C. Way cheaper than TurboTax and just as accurate. It also prevents you from making errors like putting business losses in the wrong place. Has built-in error checking.
I'm currently going through this exact same situation and wanted to share what I've learned from calling multiple times and speaking with different representatives. First off, the 120-day timeframe is definitely their standard CYA response, but from tracking cases in various tax communities, the actual resolution time for CP05 reviews this year has been averaging 8-12 weeks. The key factors seem to be: 1. Complexity of your return (multiple income sources, significant deductions, etc.) 2. Current IRS processing backlog in your region 3. Whether you proactively provide documentation Regarding the documentation question that several people have asked - I spoke with a Taxpayer Advocate who recommended waiting for the actual CP05 notice before sending anything. The notice will specify exactly what triggered the review and what (if any) documentation would be helpful. Sending docs too early can sometimes create a separate correspondence file that actually slows things down. For your renovation timeline Noah, I'd definitely recommend having a contingency plan. I learned this lesson the hard way with a roof repair that couldn't wait. Consider a 0% intro APR credit card if you have good credit - many offer 12-15 months no interest, which should cover you even if this takes the full timeframe. One helpful tip: your transcript cycle date (the 8-digit number at the top) is more reliable for tracking progress than the individual code dates. When that changes, it usually means real movement on your case. Hang in there - this process is frustrating but it does resolve!
This is incredibly helpful information, thank you! I'm also dealing with a CP05 review (filed 4/22, got my codes last week) and the advice about waiting for the actual notice before sending docs makes total sense. I was tempted to start faxing everything immediately just to feel like I was doing something productive, but creating a separate correspondence file sounds like it could definitely backfire. The tip about watching the transcript cycle date is something I hadn't heard before - that's really useful! I've been obsessing over the individual code dates but sounds like the 8-digit cycle number is the real indicator to watch. Your point about the 0% APR credit card is brilliant too. I'm in a similar boat with some time-sensitive expenses and that could be a perfect bridge solution if this drags on. Much better than the personal loan option I was considering. Thanks for taking the time to share all this research - it's so much more helpful than the generic "wait 120 days" response from the IRS phone agents!
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Filed 4/19, accepted 4/20, got the 570/971 codes on 5/28, and just saw my second 971 code appear this morning. The timing is eerily similar to yours Noah - it's like we're all in some kind of tax refund time warp together! What's really frustrating is that I specifically chose to file early this year because I knew I'd need the refund for summer expenses (my daughter starts daycare in July), and now I'm potentially looking at waiting until August or September. The irony is not lost on me. After reading through everyone's experiences here, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the 8-12 week timeline that AstroAce mentioned rather than the full 120 days. It sounds like most people are seeing resolution much faster than what the phone agents tell you. I'm definitely going to wait for the actual CP05 notice before sending any documentation - that advice about creating a separate correspondence file that could slow things down really resonates. The last thing any of us need is to accidentally make this process even longer! Has anyone here had success with congressional inquiries if this drags on past the 10-12 week mark? I'm hoping it won't come to that, but good to know what options exist if needed. Hang in there everyone - sounds like we'll get through this sooner rather than later based on the patterns people are sharing!
Does anyone know if selling the property would let me use those accumulated losses? I've been carrying forward losses for like 3 years now and wondering if I should just sell.
Yes! When you fully dispose of your rental property in a taxable transaction, you can generally deduct all accumulated passive losses that you've been carrying forward. This is often called the "disposition rule.
Great thread! Just wanted to add that if you're a real estate professional (which has very specific IRS requirements), your rental activities might not be considered passive at all. You need to spend more than 750 hours annually in real estate trades or businesses AND more than half your personal services must be in real estate activities. If you qualify as a real estate professional, your rental losses can offset other types of income without the passive activity limitations. It's a high bar to meet, but worth investigating if you're heavily involved in real estate. Most casual landlords won't qualify, but thought it was worth mentioning since it's another exception to the passive loss rules.
Another thing to consider is state taxes. Some states don't conform to the federal QBI deduction at all. I live in California and they don't allow the QBI deduction on the state return, so I end up paying more state tax than I initially expected from my PTP investment. Make sure you understand how your state handles QBI from PTPs before you make investment decisions based on the tax benefits.
This is so important and often overlooked. Oregon doesn't allow it either. I got a nasty surprise when my federal taxable income was way lower than my state taxable income because of this. Check your state's department of revenue website to see if they conform to this federal deduction.
This is a really comprehensive discussion! I just wanted to add one more point that might be helpful for anyone dealing with PTPs and QBI. Make sure to check if your PTP issued any amended K-1s throughout the year. PTPs are notorious for issuing corrected K-1s sometimes months after the original, and this can significantly impact your QBI calculation. I learned this the hard way when I filed early one year only to receive an amended K-1 in March that changed my QBI amount by over $3,000. Also, if you have multiple PTPs, remember that you aggregate all PTP income/losses together in Part II of Form 8995 - you don't list each PTP separately. The form instructions make this clear but it's easy to miss if you're rushing through it. For Connor's original question about the $14,500 QBI - that sounds like a solid amount that should give you a nice deduction. Just double-check that the K-1 specifically identifies it as "qualified business income" and not just ordinary income, since PTPs can generate both types.
Great point about the amended K-1s! I'm new to PTP investing and didn't realize this was such a common issue. How do you typically handle this timing-wise? Do you wait until a certain date before filing, or do you file and then amend if needed? I'm worried about filing early and then having to deal with amendments later, but I also don't want to delay my refund unnecessarily. Also, when you mention checking that it's specifically "qualified business income" vs ordinary income on the K-1 - where exactly should I be looking for this distinction? My K-1 has a lot of different line items and I want to make sure I'm not missing anything or double-counting income.
Natasha Petrova
Jackson Hewitt is having delays this year. I work at a bank and we're seeing a pattern with tax prep services. Most DIY filers (TurboTax, FreeTaxUSA) are getting processed in 2-3 weeks. Professional preparation services like JH and H&R Block are taking 3-5 weeks right now. IRS is prioritizing simple returns first. If you're newly married with any credits or deductions, that puts you in a more complex category.
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Isaac Wright
I filed through Jackson Hewitt on February 20th and I'm in the exact same situation! Also newly married and filing jointly for the first time. My WMR has been stuck on "processing" for weeks now. After reading through all these responses, it sounds like JH has definitely had some system issues this year, especially with more complex returns like ours. I'm going to check my transcript like Connor suggested - didn't even know that was a thing! It's somewhat reassuring to know we're not alone in this delay, though I wish JH had been more upfront about the processing issues they were having.
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Leo Simmons
ā¢@Isaac Wright - I m'glad you found this thread helpful! It really does seem like JH dropped the ball on communication this year. Since you re'also newly married filing jointly, you might want to look for cycle code 20240805 or similar on your transcript like Keisha mentioned. That tells you what day of the week your account updates. Also, if you have any education credits or child tax credit on your return, that could be adding to the delay based on what Oliver and others have shared. Hang in there - sounds like most people are seeing movement after the 3-4 week mark!
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