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PSA: How to Get IRS Penalties Abated in 2025 - What Most Taxpayers Don't Know

I've been seeing tons of helpful tax advice around here lately, but it seems like nobody's talking about penalty abatement enough. If you've been hit with IRS penalties, you should know that you can actually request to have most of them removed (including failure to file, failure to pay, and accuracy related penalties). The IRS doesn't have to approve your request, but it's free to ask and won't make your situation worse. Here are the three main ways the IRS will typically abate penalties: 1) Reasonable Cause - This is when you tried your best to meet tax obligations but couldn't due to circumstances beyond your control. For example, if your house burned down with all your records, you were seriously ill or hospitalized, a close family member died, you got a wrong W-2 or 1099 that seemed correct, or you relied on tax advice from a professional. Basically, this is saying "I know I had obligations but extreme circumstances prevented me from meeting them." The IRS might ask for documentation like insurance claims or medical records. 2) First Time Abatement - This is basically your "freebie" from the IRS if you've been a good taxpayer until now. To qualify, you need to have filed all required returns, paid or arranged to pay taxes due, and had no penalties in the past 3 years. Even if you've gotten reasonable cause relief before, you can still qualify for First Time Abatement. 3) Incorrect Written Advice from IRS - If the IRS gave you wrong info in writing and you followed it, they'll remove the penalties. You'll need to file Form 843 for this type of abatement (the others can be requested with a letter to the IRS). You can also request relief if you got incorrect advice over the phone, but you'll need to prove the IRS gave you bad info, so this one rarely works out. **What Can't Be Abated** Interest generally can't be abated. However, if your penalties get removed, ask the IRS to recalculate the interest. Since interest is calculated on penalties too, removing penalties will reduce your interest (and if you only owed penalties, interest would drop to $0). **State Penalty Abatement** Every state I've dealt with (NJ, NY, PA, CA at least) has some type of abatement program too. The rules vary by state, so check your state's division of revenue/taxation website for their specific requirements.

This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea penalty abatement was even an option. I've been struggling with about $1,200 in failure-to-file penalties from my 2023 return because I was caring for my elderly father who had a stroke. I filed about 5 months late after getting his affairs sorted out. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like I might have a good case for reasonable cause abatement. I have hospital records, power of attorney documents, and documentation showing when I was managing his care versus when I was finally able to get back to my own tax obligations. I'm torn between trying to handle this myself with a written request or using one of the services mentioned here to get connected with the IRS directly. For those who've been successful with reasonable cause requests, how detailed did you get in your letters? Did you include a timeline of events or just focus on the key facts? Also wondering - if I qualify for reasonable cause for 2023, would that affect my ability to use First Time Abatement for any future issues, or are those completely separate? Thanks to everyone sharing their knowledge here - this community is amazing!

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Your situation with caring for your father after his stroke sounds like a textbook example of reasonable cause! The IRS specifically recognizes family medical emergencies as valid circumstances beyond your control. For the level of detail in your letter, I'd recommend including a clear timeline - when the stroke occurred, the period you were managing his care, and when you were able to return to your own affairs. The power of attorney documents and hospital records will really strengthen your case since they provide objective proof of the situation. To answer your question about First Time Abatement - reasonable cause and FTA are completely separate! Using reasonable cause for your 2023 situation won't affect your ability to use First Time Abatement in the future. In fact, if you have multiple years with penalties, you could potentially use reasonable cause for some and save FTA for others. Given that you have strong documentation and a clear reasonable cause scenario, you could probably handle this successfully with a written request. However, with $1,200 in penalties, if you're not comfortable writing the letter yourself, the cost of getting professional help or using one of the services mentioned might be worth it for peace of mind. Welcome to the community - situations like yours are exactly why penalty abatement exists, and I hope you get those penalties removed!

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This is such valuable information! I wish I had known about these penalty abatement options years ago. I've been dealing with IRS penalties on and off for the past few years, mostly due to being self-employed and struggling with estimated tax payments during some rough financial periods. Reading through all these success stories is really encouraging. I had no idea that the IRS actually has formal programs for penalty relief - I always assumed once you got hit with penalties, you were stuck with them. The First Time Abatement option sounds particularly helpful since I've generally been compliant except for a couple of difficult years. One question for the community: if someone has penalties across multiple tax years (say 2022 and 2023), is it better to request abatement for all of them at once or handle them separately? Also, does the order matter in terms of which abatement method you use for which year? Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences and expertise here. As someone new to this community, I'm amazed by how helpful and detailed all the advice is. Definitely gives me hope that I can get some of these financial burdens resolved!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm 22 and was in the exact same boat - qualified for EIC last year but my tax software said no this year. After reading through all these comments, I realized I should check if I qualify as a "specified student" since I'm enrolled full-time at my local university. Sure enough, when I went back into my tax software and specifically indicated my full-time student status in the EIC section (not just the education credits section), it recognized the exception and I qualified! Apparently being enrolled full-time for at least 5 months during the tax year creates an exception to the normal age 25 minimum. It's frustrating that the software doesn't always ask the right questions upfront to catch these exceptions. For anyone else under 25 who thinks they don't qualify - definitely double-check if you're a full-time student, former foster youth, or experienced homelessness, as these can all be qualifying exceptions even if you're under the normal age threshold.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I'm also 22 and a full-time student, but I didn't realize there was a connection between student status and EIC eligibility. My tax software just asked about dependents and income, but never specifically connected my student status to the EIC qualification. I'm going to go back and look for where to indicate my full-time enrollment in the EIC section specifically. Did you have to provide any documentation of your student status, or was it just checking a box that you were enrolled full-time for at least 5 months? Thanks for sharing your experience - this could make a real difference in my refund!

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Oscar Murphy

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Great question! As someone who works in tax preparation, I can confirm that the EIC rules have been particularly confusing the past few years due to temporary expansions that have since expired. For the 2024 tax year (filing in 2025), the standard age requirement is 25-64 for taxpayers without qualifying children. However, you may still qualify under the "specified student" exception if you were enrolled full-time at an eligible educational institution for at least 5 months during 2024. This exception allows students as young as 19 to claim the EIC. Since you mentioned you're 23 and live in Minneapolis, if you were a full-time student for at least 5 months in 2024, you should definitely explore this exception. Many tax software programs don't automatically connect your student status to EIC eligibility, so you may need to specifically indicate this when the software asks about EIC qualifications. I'd recommend double-checking your student enrollment status for 2024 and making sure your tax software knows about it in the context of the EIC, not just for education credits. If you're still unsure, IRS Publication 596 has the complete details on all EIC exceptions for your tax year.

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Tyrone Hill

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Per IRM 21.4.1.3 (Refund Inquiry Response Procedures), the IRS is not obligated to provide specific information about the status of a refund until 21 days after e-filing or 6 weeks after paper filing. Based on my experience as a tax professional, I've observed the following pattern for 2023 returns (2024 filing season): 1. Simple returns (W-2 only, standard deduction): 14-21 days 2. Returns with dividend/interest income: 17-24 days 3. Returns with Schedule C/E but no credits: 21-30 days The "Return Accepted" status simply means the return has passed the initial validation checks. Your return is likely in batch processing and should move to approved status within the next 3-5 days based on current patterns.

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I'm in a similar situation and completely understand your frustration about needing to plan for medical procedures. Filed my simple return (just W-2, standard deduction) on March 15th and still waiting at the 20-day mark. One thing that's helped my anxiety is setting up text alerts through the IRS2Go mobile app - sometimes it updates faster than the website. Also, I've noticed from reading other forums that once your transcript shows a cycle code 20240XX (where XX is the week), your refund typically processes within 2-3 business days. For what it's worth, I called the Practitioner Priority Service line (even though I'm not a practitioner, they sometimes help regular taxpayers after 21 days) and was told that simple returns filed in mid-March are currently taking 22-25 days this year due to increased verification procedures, even for basic returns. Have you considered checking if your bank account information on file is correct? Sometimes returns get delayed if there's a mismatch with previous year's banking details, even if everything looks right on your end.

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Caleb Stark

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Filed my return on March 1st as a first-time e-filer with just W-2 income and standard deduction. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been so reassuring! I was getting worried seeing different timelines everywhere, but it sounds like 21-30 days is realistic for most situations. Already set up direct deposit and planning to check my transcript this weekend based on all the recommendations here. The batch processing explanation really helps explain why timing seems so unpredictable. Thanks to everyone for sharing their real experiences - it's way more helpful than the vague official estimates!

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Sofia Gomez

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Welcome to the e-filing club! Your timeline sounds very similar to mine from last year. With just W-2 income and standard deduction, you're definitely in the simple category that typically processes faster. Since you filed March 1st, you might be looking at a refund around March 22-29th based on what others have shared. I'd definitely recommend the transcript checking method - it's like having insider information compared to the basic WMR tool. The direct deposit setup was a smart move too. One thing I learned is to resist the urge to check every day (easier said than done!) since it just adds stress. Your return sounds straightforward enough that you shouldn't hit any of the common delays people mention with credits or complex situations.

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Kolton Murphy

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I filed on February 22nd with a straightforward W-2 return and just got my refund deposited this morning - exactly 21 days! What really helped manage my expectations was following the advice in this thread about checking transcripts instead of obsessively refreshing WMR. For anyone still waiting, I noticed my transcript showed code 846 (refund issued) about 3 days before the money actually hit my account. The batch processing explanation makes so much sense now looking back - my transcript updated on a Thursday night and the deposit appeared the following Tuesday. For future reference, I'm definitely bookmarking this thread because the real-world timelines shared here are way more accurate than the generic IRS estimates. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences!

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As someone who's dealt with similar business expense questions, I'd recommend keeping meticulous records if you decide to pursue this. The IRS looks for three key things: ordinary (common in your industry), necessary (helpful for your business), and reasonable (not excessive). For a pet daycare, having a "demo dog" that helps socialize and train client animals could potentially qualify, but you'll need to prove it's genuinely business-related. Consider getting a letter from a veterinary behaviorist or animal trainer explaining how your dog's role benefits the business operations. Also, only deduct the percentage that's truly business use. If your German Shepherd spends 30% of her time actively working with client dogs, then 30% of training costs might be deductible. But regular vet care and food would likely be considered personal expenses unless you can document a clear business need. One more tip: take photos and videos of your dog actually working with client animals. Visual documentation of her training other dogs could be valuable evidence if the IRS ever questions the deduction.

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Mason Kaczka

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This is really solid advice! The documentation piece is so important - I learned that the hard way with some questionable deductions a few years back. The veterinary behaviorist letter is a brilliant idea I hadn't thought of. Having a professional validate that your dog serves a legitimate business function would probably carry a lot of weight with the IRS. One thing to add - you might also want to keep a simple daily log showing when your dog is "on duty" versus just being a family pet. Even something basic like "9am-3pm: supervised 4 client dogs, demonstrated proper play behavior, guided new puppy to use doggy door" could help establish that business use percentage you mentioned.

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This thread has been really helpful! As a tax preparer, I see unusual business expense questions like this fairly often. The key thing to remember is that the IRS doesn't care what your "employee" species is - they care about whether the expense is ordinary, necessary, and reasonable for your specific business. For a pet daycare, having a well-trained dog that helps with client animals is actually pretty standard in the industry. I've successfully helped clients deduct portions of working dog expenses before. The critical factors are: 1) Document everything with photos/videos of the dog working, 2) Keep a detailed log of business vs. personal time, 3) Only deduct the business percentage of expenses, and 4) Get professional validation (vet behaviorist letter is excellent advice from Callum). One additional tip: Consider getting your German Shepherd certified through a professional dog training organization for her role in your business. Having formal credentials strengthens your case that this is a legitimate business function, not just a pet expense in disguise.

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! The certification idea is brilliant - I never thought about getting formal credentials for her role. Do you happen to know what specific certifications would be most valuable for a dog working in a daycare setting? I'm also curious about the audit risk for this type of deduction. Is claiming working dog expenses something that typically flags returns for review, or is it common enough in pet-related businesses that the IRS doesn't bat an eye? We're definitely committed to doing this properly with all the documentation you've mentioned, but I want to understand what we might be getting into.

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