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I've been helping my elderly parents with a similar W4 situation this year. One thing I learned that might help your aunt and uncle - if they're both working part-time, their employers' payroll systems might not be calculating withholding correctly because each job doesn't "know" about the other income. The new W4 form has a specific section (Step 2) for multiple jobs that helps address this. You can either use the worksheet or the online calculator to figure out the right amount. But honestly, for their income level and to keep it simple, adding a flat extra amount per paycheck might be the most straightforward approach. Given their $86k combined income and the fact they had almost nothing withheld last year, I'd estimate they probably owe around $12,000-15,000 in federal taxes. If they have about 8 months left in the year, adding $400-500 extra withholding per month combined should get them much closer to even. They can always adjust up or down based on how their year-end projection looks. The most important thing is getting something in place now rather than waiting and ending up in the same situation next April!

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Diego Vargas

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This is really helpful, especially the point about multiple jobs not "knowing" about each other! I'm dealing with this exact issue right now. My spouse and I both work part-time at different companies, and I think that's why our withholding has been so off. I tried filling out Step 2 on the W4 but got confused by all the calculations. Would it be simpler to just skip that section and add the extra flat amount like you suggested? Also, when you say $400-500 extra per month combined, would you recommend splitting that evenly between both their W4s or putting more on the higher earner's form? Thanks for breaking this down - it's exactly the kind of practical advice I was looking for!

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You're absolutely right that the multiple jobs issue is tricky! For the W4 Step 2 - honestly, if it's confusing you, skip it and go with the flat extra amount approach. It's much simpler and will get you most of the way there. For splitting the $400-500 extra monthly withholding, either approach works fine. You could split it evenly ($200-250 each) or put more on the higher earner since they're likely in a higher tax bracket. The main thing is making sure the total adds up to what you need. One practical tip: start with a slightly higher amount (maybe $500-600 combined) for the first few months, then you can always dial it back if you're getting too big of a refund. It's better to overpay a bit and get money back than to still owe come tax time. You can always check your progress by looking at your paystubs to see how much total federal tax has been withheld year-to-date.

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Zainab Omar

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This is such a common issue with couples who both work! I went through something similar with my parents last year when they ended up owing about $8,000 unexpectedly. One thing that really helped us was to think of it in terms of "catch-up" withholding for this year plus "correct" withholding going forward. For your aunt and uncle's $86k income, they should expect roughly $10,000-13,000 in total federal taxes annually. Here's what worked for us: We calculated how much they should have withheld by now (based on how many months into the year we were), compared that to what was actually withheld from their paystubs, and then spread the "catch-up" amount over the remaining paychecks of the year, plus added the ongoing correct amount. So if they're missing about $10,000 in withholding and have 8 months left, that's about $1,250 extra per month just to catch up, plus whatever they need for ongoing proper withholding. It sounds like a lot, but breaking it down monthly makes it more manageable than getting hit with another huge bill next April. Also, definitely have them keep all their paystubs so you can track progress throughout the year and make adjustments if needed!

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Harper Hill

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This breakdown is really helpful! The "catch-up" vs "ongoing" approach makes so much more sense than trying to figure out one big number. I like how you calculated the missing withholding amount and then spread it over the remaining months. Quick question though - when you say they should expect $10,000-13,000 in total federal taxes on $86k income, does that account for the standard deduction? I'm trying to make sure I'm not over-withholding for my aunt and uncle. They're married filing jointly with no other significant deductions beyond the standard amount. Also, keeping the paystubs to track progress is brilliant advice. I hadn't thought about monitoring it throughout the year rather than just hoping the math works out come tax time!

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Yes, that $10,000-13,000 estimate does account for the standard deduction! For 2024, the standard deduction for married filing jointly is $29,200, so their taxable income would be around $56,800 ($86,000 - $29,200). At that level, they'd be mostly in the 12% tax bracket with some income potentially in the 22% bracket depending on their exact situation. The estimate also assumes they don't have significant other deductions or credits, so it should be pretty close for their situation. You're smart to double-check this - over-withholding isn't the end of the world since they'd get a refund, but under-withholding means another big tax bill. The paystub tracking really is a game-changer! I set up a simple spreadsheet to track total federal withholding year-to-date from each paystub, and it made it so much easier to see if we were on track or needed to adjust the extra withholding amount.

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Zara Ahmed

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Quick question - if OP changes their W-4 now to withhold a bunch of extra money from their last few 2025 paychecks, will that actually help with the underpayment penalty? I thought the penalty was calculated by quarter, so fixing it in December wouldn't help with the earlier quarters when nothing was withheld?

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That's a common misconception! Unlike estimated tax payments (which are applied to the specific quarter they're paid in), withholding from your paycheck is treated as if it was paid evenly throughout the year, even if it all happens in December. So increasing your withholding dramatically for your last few paychecks can actually help reduce or eliminate underpayment penalties for the entire year. It's one of the few retroactive fixes available when you realize you've underwitheld.

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I actually just went through this exact same situation earlier this year! Made the same mistake with the exemption box and didn't notice for months. Here's what I learned: First, don't panic - this is more fixable than you think. The key thing to understand is that withholding from your paycheck gets treated as if it was paid evenly throughout the year, even if you do it all in December. This is huge because it can help with penalties retroactively. I'd strongly recommend doing BOTH things mentioned above - submit a new W-4 with maximum additional withholding for your remaining paychecks AND make a Q4 estimated payment if needed. Calculate roughly what you'll owe for the full year, subtract what was already withheld from your first job, then split the remainder between increased withholding and estimated payment. Also look into first-time penalty abatement if you haven't had issues before - it can waive penalties entirely if you qualify. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable about honest mistakes like this, especially if you're proactive about fixing it before filing. One last tip: when you do your W-4 next year, maybe set it to withhold slightly more than needed so you have a buffer. Better to get a small refund than deal with this stress again!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the first-time penalty abatement you mentioned - is there a specific form to request this or do you just mention it when you file your return? And do you know if there's a time limit on when you can request it? I've never had any tax issues before so I might qualify, but I want to make sure I don't miss any deadlines or procedures.

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Naila Gordon

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Just to reinforce what others have said - Form 2553 is definitely a one-time filing! I made the same mistake in my first year as an S-Corp and called the IRS thinking I needed to refile it. The representative confirmed that once your election is accepted, it stays in effect unless you voluntarily revoke it or something happens that disqualifies your S-Corp status. What you DO need to file annually is Form 1120-S (your S-Corp tax return) and prepare Schedule K-1s. Also don't forget about the reasonable salary requirement - as an S-Corp owner who works in the business, you need to pay yourself W-2 wages before taking distributions. That's probably the most important ongoing compliance issue to stay on top of. The IRS website has a good checklist for S-Corp annual requirements if you want to bookmark it for future reference!

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Miguel Ortiz

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Thank you for that helpful summary! As someone who's still navigating my first year as an S-Corp, I really appreciate the reminder about the reasonable salary requirement. I've been focused on the tax filing aspects but hadn't fully considered the payroll compliance side. Do you happen to know if there are any specific guidelines on what constitutes "reasonable" compensation, or is it more subjective based on industry standards and job duties?

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Hazel Garcia

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Great question about reasonable salary! The IRS doesn't publish specific dollar amounts, but they do expect you to pay yourself what you'd pay someone else to do your job. They look at factors like your role in the company, hours worked, qualifications, and what similar positions pay in your area and industry. A good rule of thumb is to research salaries for comparable positions on sites like PayScale or Glassdoor. If you're doing the work of a $60k/year manager, you should probably be paying yourself somewhere in that ballpark as W-2 wages before taking additional money as distributions. The key is being able to justify your salary if the IRS ever questions it. Some S-Corp owners try to minimize payroll taxes by paying themselves very low salaries, but that's risky. The IRS has been cracking down on unreasonably low compensation because it reduces Social Security and Medicare tax revenue.

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Justin Chang

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Great question! I went through this same confusion when I first elected S-Corp status. You only need to file Form 2553 once - it's not an annual requirement. Once the IRS accepts your election (which they clearly did since you received the acceptance letter), that status remains in effect until you either voluntarily revoke it or something disqualifies your corporation. What you WILL need to file annually is Form 1120-S, which is your S-Corporation tax return, along with Schedule K-1s for all shareholders (just yourself in your case). The deadline for Form 1120-S is typically March 15th, but you can request an extension if needed. Also, since you're a single-member S-Corp, make sure you're paying yourself reasonable compensation through payroll before taking any distributions. This is one of the key ongoing compliance requirements that the IRS watches closely. The salary should reflect what you'd pay someone else to do your job in your business. Keep that acceptance letter in your records - it's proof of your S-Corp election status!

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Kaylee Cook

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Has anyone mentioned the "reasonable compensation" requirement for S-Corps? This is where most expats get tripped up. The IRS requires you to pay yourself a "reasonable salary" subject to FICA taxes before taking distributions. With FEIE, this gets messy because only the salary portion qualifies for FEIE (up to the limit), not the distributions. So you might save on self-employment tax but lose FEIE benefits on the distribution portion.

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Isn't there also the issue of state taxes? Some states don't recognize S corp elections or tax them differently. OP didn't mention their state residency situation but as an expat that might matter too.

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year - LLC with FEIE benefits, considering S-Corp election, and dealing with unresponsive tax professionals. Here's what I learned that might help: The electronic signature issue will likely save you, as others mentioned. The IRS is incredibly strict about wet signatures on Form 2553. But definitely call proactively rather than waiting - it shows good faith and creates a paper trail. Regarding the S-Corp vs FEIE analysis, here's the key issue most people miss: with S-Corp status, you're required to pay yourself "reasonable compensation" as an employee before taking distributions. Only that salary portion qualifies for FEIE, not the distributions. So if your business income is $100k and you set reasonable salary at $60k, only the $60k qualifies for FEIE. The remaining $40k in distributions doesn't qualify for FEIE but also isn't subject to SE tax. Compare this to LLC status where your entire $100k of business income qualifies for FEIE (up to the annual limit) but is subject to SE tax. The math really depends on your specific income levels and how much of your income falls under the FEIE limit. In many expat situations, especially with income under $120k, staying as an LLC with full FEIE benefits actually comes out ahead. Get a proper analysis done before making any decisions - this isn't something to guess on.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I needed to see! Your point about the reasonable compensation requirement is crucial - I hadn't fully understood that only the salary portion would qualify for FEIE with S-Corp status. Given that my LLC income is typically around $85k annually and I qualify for the full FEIE, it sounds like staying as an LLC might actually be better for my situation. The SE tax savings from S-Corp election probably wouldn't offset losing FEIE benefits on the distribution portion. Do you remember roughly how long it took for the IRS to reject your electronically signed Form 2553? I'm hoping to get this resolved quickly so I can move forward with proper planning for 2024.

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I went through the exact same thing with a Letter 12C for my 2020 taxes! It's definitely stressful when you're not sure what they want. From my experience, the key is to read the letter very carefully - they usually specify exactly which tax year and which forms they need. For most Letter 12C requests, you'll need: - The W2 you mentioned (make sure it's for 2020) - Any 1099 forms if you had other income - A copy of the letter itself - Sometimes proof of deductions if that's what they're questioning Don't panic about the timeline - even if you're past the 30 days, they usually accept late responses as long as you send everything they need. I was about 6 weeks late responding to mine and still got my refund processed. One tip: make copies of everything before you send it, and if you fax, keep the confirmation sheet. The IRS can be slow but they do process these eventually. My refund came about 2 months after I sent my response. You've got this! Just gather what they asked for and get it submitted.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a Letter 12C right now and was freaking out about the deadline. It's reassuring to know that they'll still process late responses. Did you have to include any kind of explanation letter with your documents, or did you just send the forms they requested? Also, when you say "make copies of everything" - do you mean just for your own records, or do you send copies to the IRS and keep the originals?

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Good questions! For the explanation letter, I just wrote a brief note saying "In response to Letter 12C dated [date], please find the requested documents attached." Nothing fancy - they mainly just want the forms they asked for. And yes, when I say make copies, I mean for your own records. Send copies to the IRS and keep the originals safe at home. Never send original documents to the IRS unless they specifically ask for them (which is rare). The copies are just as valid for their verification process. Also, if you're faxing, definitely keep that confirmation page! It's your proof that you submitted everything on time. I actually had to reference mine months later when there was a processing delay.

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Gianna Scott

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I just went through this exact situation with a Letter 12C last year! The stress is real when you're not sure what they want and that 30-day deadline is looming. Here's what I learned from my experience: The Letter 12C usually means there's a mismatch between what you reported and what they have on file from your employers/financial institutions. For 2020 taxes, this was pretty common because of all the pandemic-related changes and delays in reporting. Besides your W2, check if the letter mentions any specific lines on your tax return they're questioning. Sometimes they want documentation for: - Unemployment compensation (if you received any in 2020) - Stimulus payments that might have been incorrectly reported - Any 1099 forms for side income or investment earnings The good news is that most Letter 12C issues get resolved pretty quickly once you submit the right documents. I was worried for nothing - turned out they just needed to verify my W2 matched what my employer reported, and I had my refund about 6 weeks later. Don't stress too much about being 2 weeks into the 30-day period. Focus on gathering the documents and getting them submitted. You've got this!

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Thank you for sharing your experience! Your point about pandemic-related reporting changes is so important - I completely forgot that 2020 was such a messy year for tax documents. That actually makes me feel better about why they're asking for verification now, years later. Did you have any issues with unemployment compensation reporting? I received some unemployment in 2020 and I'm wondering if that might be part of why I got this letter. The letter mentions verifying income but doesn't specifically call out unemployment benefits. I still have all those 1099-G forms, so I could include them just in case. Also, 6 weeks for processing sounds reasonable. I was expecting it to take much longer based on all the horror stories I've heard about IRS delays!

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