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Amina Sow

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Sometimes I've found that withholding a bit extra from my W-2 job is easier than dealing with quarterly payments for small self-employment income. You can file a new W-4 with your employer and just add an additional amount to be withheld from each paycheck. Way less paperwork than tracking and submitting quarterlies.

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GalaxyGazer

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This is genius! How much extra should you withhold though? Is there some formula to figure out how much self-employment tax you'll owe?

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Amina Sow

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For a rough estimate, take your expected annual self-employment income and multiply by about 15% for self-employment tax, then add whatever your marginal income tax rate is (probably 10-12% if your income is relatively low). So maybe 25-30% total. If you're making $800 a year in self-employment income, that's roughly $200-240 in additional tax. You could just have an extra $20 withheld from your paycheck each month to cover it. Much easier than filing quarterly payments!

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Dana Doyle

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Just wanted to add another perspective for anyone in a similar situation - if your side gig income is truly inconsistent like yours, consider keeping a simple monthly tracking spreadsheet. I learned this the hard way when my freelance writing income jumped unexpectedly one quarter and I suddenly owed way more than expected. What I do now is track my monthly self-employment income and multiply by 15.3% (self-employment tax rate) plus my marginal tax rate to estimate what I should be setting aside. If I hit the point where I'm on track to owe more than $1,000 for the year, I either make a quarterly payment or increase my W-2 withholding like others mentioned. The inconsistency actually works in your favor right now since you're staying under the thresholds, but having a system in place will save you stress if your income grows. Better to be prepared than scrambling to catch up on payments later!

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PaulineW

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As someone who's been living abroad for over 5 years, I want to emphasize how important it is to start planning your tax situation BEFORE you move. The complexity increases significantly once you're already established overseas. A few additional points that might help: 1. **State tax obligations** - Don't forget about your home state! Some states like California are notoriously aggressive about claiming you're still a resident for tax purposes even after you move abroad. Make sure you properly establish non-residency before leaving. 2. **Social Security and Medicare** - If you're paying into foreign social systems, understand how this affects your US Social Security benefits. Some countries have totalization agreements that can help, but others don't. 3. **Keep meticulous records** - Save everything! Foreign tax documents, proof of residence, bank statements, employment contracts. The IRS can ask for documentation going back several years, and getting copies of foreign documents later can be expensive and time-consuming. 4. **Consider professional help for your first year** - Even if you use AI tools or try to DIY later, having a qualified international tax professional handle your first year abroad can help you establish the right foundation and avoid costly mistakes early on. The good news is that once you understand the system and establish your filing routine, it becomes much more manageable. But those first couple of years can be overwhelming if you're not prepared.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially the point about state tax obligations! I'm planning my move to the UK next year and hadn't even considered that my home state might still try to claim me as a resident. What specific steps did you take to establish non-residency? Did you have to physically change your driver's license and voter registration before leaving, or can you handle that remotely? Also, when you mention totalization agreements for Social Security - does this mean I could potentially get credit toward UK pension benefits for my US work history, or is it the other way around?

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Kara Yoshida

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@Christopher Morgan Great questions! For state non-residency, I changed my driver s'license, voter registration, and bank accounts before leaving - some states require you to be physically present to do this properly. I also filed a final state tax return marking myself as a part-year resident and kept documentation showing I severed all ties sold (property, ended gym memberships, etc. .)Regarding totalization agreements - yes, it works both ways! The US-UK agreement means your US work history can count toward qualifying for UK state pension, and vice versa. You don t'get double benefits, but it prevents you from losing years of contributions when you move between countries. For example, if you need 10 years to qualify for UK pension but only work there 7 years, your US contributions can help you meet that threshold. The key is understanding that you still need to meet each country s'minimum requirements, but the agreements help combine your contribution periods. Definitely worth researching the specific agreement between the US and UK - it covers both Social Security/state pension and some disability benefits.

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Miguel Diaz

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One crucial aspect that hasn't been covered yet is the timing of when you establish foreign residency for tax purposes. The IRS uses different tests than many foreign countries to determine residency, which can create gaps or overlaps in your tax obligations. For example, if you move to Canada mid-year, you might be considered a Canadian resident from the date you arrive, but still a US resident for the entire tax year under the substantial presence test. This means you could have dual residency status and owe full taxes to both countries for that transition year. To minimize this issue, plan your move for early in the tax year if possible, and research both countries' residency rules carefully. Some countries have tie-breaker rules in their tax treaties that can help resolve dual residency situations, but you need to understand how to properly apply them. Also, don't forget about estimated tax payments. If you're earning foreign income that isn't subject to US withholding, you may need to make quarterly estimated payments to avoid penalties, even if you'll ultimately owe nothing after applying the foreign earned income exclusion or foreign tax credits. The transition year is often the most complex from a tax perspective, so extra planning and possibly professional guidance for that year can save you significant headaches and money.

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Collins Angel

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Columbus TAC has limited walk-ins. Tuesdays best. Arrive by 8AM. Bring two forms of ID. Have all documents organized. Expect 3+ hour wait even if accepted. No guarantee you'll be seen. Better to call for appointment. No cell phones allowed inside. No food or drinks. Parking is $10 nearby. Security is strict about what you can bring in.

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Ava Rodriguez

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I had a very similar dependent verification issue last month and ended up going to the Columbus TAC as a walk-in. Here's what worked for me: I arrived at 7:45 AM on a Wednesday (before they officially opened) and was about 8th in line. They have a paper sign-in system now that starts around 8:15 AM. The triage staff member was actually quite helpful - she reviewed my documentation and determined my case could be handled that day. Total time was about 4 hours from arrival to resolution, but they completely sorted out my dependent verification and even helped me understand why the online system had rejected my documentation. Pro tip: bring snacks and a phone charger if you go this route, and make sure you have certified copies of birth certificates, not just regular photocopies. The staff really know their stuff once you get past the access barriers.

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Oscar Murphy

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This is exactly the kind of detailed experience I was hoping to hear about! Thank you so much for sharing. Four hours is definitely a commitment, but it sounds like they were thorough in helping you resolve everything. I'm curious - when you mention certified copies of birth certificates, did you get those from the vital records office, or were there other acceptable alternatives? I have photocopies but want to make sure I'm not turned away for documentation issues after waiting that long.

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Just went through a very similar NSO exercise situation with Carta last month, so I feel your pain on that 37% withholding rate! While it does feel steep upfront, I learned a few things that might help with your decision: First, that withholding rate is indeed standard for supplemental wages over certain thresholds - Carta has to follow IRS requirements and doesn't have much flexibility there. But the good news is that this is essentially an advance payment on taxes you'll owe anyway, so if you're over-withheld, you'll get it back as a refund. One thing that really helped me was calculating my total tax liability for the year including the NSO income, then comparing that to my total withholdings (regular payroll plus the NSO withholding). In my case, I was actually slightly over-withheld, which meant I didn't need to worry about underpayment penalties and would get a small refund. Also consider that the $15,300 in withholding covers not just federal income tax, but also FICA taxes that you'd owe regardless. The Social Security and Medicare portions ($6.2% + $1.45% = $7.65%) alone account for about $3,100 of your total withholding, which leaves roughly $12,200 for federal and state income taxes on $41,250 of income - that's actually closer to a 29% effective rate on just the income tax portion. If cash flow is your main concern, definitely ask your company about same-day sale options or whether you can exercise in smaller batches over time.

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Savannah Glover

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This breakdown is really helpful, especially the point about separating out the FICA taxes from the income tax withholding! I hadn't thought to calculate it that way, but you're right - when you remove the $3,100 for Social Security and Medicare, the actual income tax withholding rate is much more reasonable. Your suggestion about calculating total tax liability for the year is spot on. I think I was getting caught up in the upfront cost without considering that this is just prepaying taxes I'll owe anyway. If anything, having it withheld now probably saves me from scrambling to come up with a big tax payment in April. I'm definitely going to ask my company about exercising in smaller batches - even if I can't change the withholding rate, spreading the cash flow impact over a few months would make it much more manageable. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Zainab Ismail

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The withholding rates you're seeing are unfortunately standard for NSO exercises through automated platforms like Carta. As others have mentioned, the 37% total isn't negotiable since it follows IRS supplemental wage requirements. However, here's something that might help with your decision-making: since you're exercising a relatively large number of shares ($41,250 in taxable income), you should definitely consider the timing implications. If this significantly increases your tax bracket for the year, splitting the exercise could save you substantial money. Also, don't forget about the AMT implications - while NSOs don't trigger AMT at exercise like ISOs do, the large income addition could affect your overall AMT calculation if you have other preference items. One practical tip: before you commit to the full exercise, run a quick calculation of your total tax withholding for the year (regular payroll + NSO withholding) versus your estimated tax liability. Many people find they're actually over-withheld when they do this analysis, which can provide peace of mind about the upfront cost. If you're still concerned about cash flow, definitely explore the batched exercise option with your company. Even if the withholding rates stay the same, spreading it over 2-3 transactions can make the cash impact much more manageable.

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Luca Romano

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One thing nobody's mentioned - you might be able to avoid this issue entirely in the future by using Venmo Business Profile instead of a personal account. It charges a small fee but it's specifically designed for business transactions and gives you better record-keeping options.

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Nia Jackson

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Venmo Business is actually pretty decent, I've been using it for my side hustle. The 1.9% + $0.10 fee is annoying but you can write that off as a business expense too! Plus it automatically tracks everything for tax time which is super helpful. Way better than trying to sort through a personal account with mixed transactions.

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Miguel Silva

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Just want to add my perspective as someone who went through this exact situation! I'm a freelance web designer and made the same mistake using personal Venmo for client payments in my first year. I was panicking about whether I could deduct my subcontractor expenses. The good news is that you're totally fine to claim these as business expenses. The IRS cares about the substance of the transaction, not the payment method. Keep your Venmo records showing the business purpose in the payment descriptions, and consider creating a simple spreadsheet that lists each payment with details about what work was performed. One tip that really helped me - I went back and asked each freelancer to send me a brief email confirming what services they provided and when. This created additional documentation beyond just the Venmo transactions. It was awkward to explain but everyone was understanding once I said it was for tax compliance. Also definitely switch to Venmo Business or a proper business bank account going forward. The fees are worth it for the cleaner record-keeping and professional appearance. You've got this - it's a common mistake and easily fixable!

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Madison Tipne

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through the same thing! I'm curious about the email confirmation approach you mentioned - did you ask for these confirmations after the fact, or should I be doing this going forward? Also, when you created your spreadsheet, did you include any specific details beyond payment amount and service description? I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases in case of an audit.

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