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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! Filed in mid-March, state payment was withdrawn immediately, but the IRS still hasn't touched my federal payment after 3+ weeks. No fraudulent documents in my case though. What's really frustrating is that my tax software shows the payment as "scheduled" but there's been zero communication from the IRS about any delays or issues. I've been checking my bank account daily expecting to see the withdrawal, but nothing. Based on what others are saying here about the identity theft angle, it sounds like your situation might be more complex than just a normal processing delay. The fraudulent 1099 from Pennsylvania could definitely be the culprit. Even though you didn't include it on your return, the IRS systems probably detected the discrepancy when cross-referencing your SSN. I'd strongly recommend following the advice about filing Form 14039 and setting up that IRS.gov account to check for any flags on your return. Better to be proactive than wait and potentially face bigger issues down the road. Keep us posted on what you find out - I'm curious if my delay is just normal backlog or if there's something else going on with my return too!
I'm in almost the exact same boat as you! Filed on March 18th, state payment went through within 48 hours, but it's now been over 3 weeks and the IRS hasn't touched my federal payment either. No fraudulent documents in my case, just radio silence from the IRS. What's making me nervous is that this is the first year I've had this kind of delay - usually they withdraw within a week or two max. I'm starting to wonder if there's some kind of system-wide processing slowdown this year or if individual returns are getting stuck in review for other reasons. I'm definitely going to set up that IRS.gov account today to see if there are any status updates. Have you tried calling them yet, or are you waiting it out a bit longer? The idea of sitting on hold for hours isn't appealing, but I'm getting anxious about having this much money just sitting in limbo. Really hope we both get some answers soon! Please keep me posted if you find out anything useful.
I've been following this thread with interest because I experienced something very similar last year. The combination of a delayed IRS payment and potential identity theft issues can be really stressful. Based on what you've described, I'd lean toward the fraudulent Pennsylvania 1099 being the main culprit behind your payment delay. Even though you didn't include it on your return, the IRS likely flagged your account when their systems detected that someone attempted to file using your SSN in another state. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1) Set up that IRS.gov account to check your transcript and account status 2) File Form 14039 (Identity Theft Affidavit) as others have mentioned 3) Keep detailed records of everything - the fraudulent 1099, your police report, correspondence with Pennsylvania's fraud department 4) Consider placing a credit freeze with all three bureaus as an extra precaution The good news is that since you filed on time and have confirmation of your payment authorization, you won't face any penalties even if the withdrawal is significantly delayed. The IRS is required to honor the original payment date you scheduled. That said, don't just wait indefinitely. If it's been more than 4-5 weeks total, I'd definitely try to get through to them by phone. The identity theft situation needs to be resolved properly to prevent future filing complications.
This is really helpful advice, especially the part about filing Form 14039. I had no idea that identity theft issues could cause payment delays even when you don't include the fraudulent documents on your return. One question - when you say the IRS systems "detected that someone attempted to file using your SSN in another state," does that mean someone actually tried to file a tax return with the fraudulent 1099, or just that the 1099 itself was issued? I'm trying to understand exactly what triggers these security flags. Also, do you know if there's a way to check if someone has attempted to file a return using your SSN? I'm getting paranoid that there might be other fraudulent activity I'm not aware of beyond just the fake Pennsylvania 1099.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you can actually calculate exactly how much should be withheld using the worksheets in Publication 15-T from the IRS. It's a bit complicated, but it shows the exact formulas employers use to calculate your FITWH. For 2025, they've updated some of the withholding calculations, so what seems like "extra" withholding might actually be correct based on the new tables. The standard deduction and tax brackets have been adjusted for inflation.
As someone who's been through this exact situation, I'd recommend taking a systematic approach. First, definitely check with HR to see your actual W-4 form - sometimes there are transcription errors where payroll enters the wrong amount from what you wrote. Second, don't panic about the money already withheld - it's not lost, just prepaid to the IRS. You'll get it back when you file your return. Third, before making any changes, consider your overall tax situation. If you're single with one job and no other income, you probably don't need extra withholding. But if you have a working spouse, side income, or expect to owe taxes from other sources, that extra withholding might actually be protecting you from penalties. The IRS Withholding Calculator is free and pretty accurate if you want to double-check what your withholding should be. Just have your most recent paystub handy when you use it.
This is exactly the kind of step-by-step advice I needed! I'm definitely going to start with HR tomorrow to see my actual W-4. I'm pretty sure I'm in the "single with one job" category, so the extra withholding probably isn't necessary for me. Quick question though - when you say "penalties" what kind of penalties are we talking about? Is it just owing money at tax time, or are there actual penalty fees if you don't withhold enough during the year?
This is such a helpful thread! I'm actually going through something similar right now - my company switched payroll systems about two months ago and I've been seeing inconsistent withholding amounts that I couldn't quite figure out. Reading through all these responses has given me a much better understanding of what to look for. I never realized there were so many potential issues that could arise during a payroll migration - from filing status changes to allowances being reset to zero, to even the pay period configuration affecting calculations. I'm definitely going to check my W-4 information in our new system this week and compare it to what I remember having before. The point about keeping documentation of the correct settings for future reference is brilliant too - I wish I had thought to screenshot my old pay stubs before the switch happened. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and solutions! This community is incredibly valuable for navigating these kinds of confusing situations.
I'm so glad this thread could help you too! It's amazing how many different things can go wrong during a payroll system migration that most of us would never think to check. I'm in the same boat - I wish I had saved screenshots of my old pay stubs before the switch. One thing I'd suggest if you're checking your W-4 information - try to log into your company's benefits portal or HR system if they have one, since sometimes the payroll app doesn't show all the detailed tax settings. Also, if you can't remember exactly what your old settings were, you might be able to estimate what they should be based on your previous year's tax return. It's really reassuring to know that other people are dealing with this same issue! Hopefully we can all get our withholding sorted out properly. Good luck with checking your settings - feel free to update us on what you find!
This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who works in HR, I see this exact scenario play out constantly during payroll system migrations. The combination of filing status changes and allowances being reset that you've identified is probably responsible for 80% of the withholding complaints we get after a system switch. One additional thing I'd recommend bringing up in your HR meeting tomorrow - ask them if they have a "migration checklist" or standard process for verifying employee tax settings after a system change. Many companies now proactively audit a sample of employee records after major payroll transitions specifically because these issues are so common. Also, don't be surprised if HR tells you that several other employees have reported similar problems. In my experience, these payroll migration issues tend to affect multiple people, so you're probably not the only one dealing with this. Sometimes HR can even do a batch correction for everyone who was affected by the same systematic error. The silver lining is that once these settings get corrected, the new system will likely be much more accurate and user-friendly than whatever legacy system you were using before. Hang in there!
Is anyone using a tax software that correctly handles STRs under the 7-day rule? TurboTax seems confused about where to put it - when I try to enter it as a business it keeps pushing me back to the rental property section.
Great discussion here! I've been dealing with STR tax issues for two years and want to add a few practical tips that might help others: 1. **Average stay calculation**: Make sure you're calculating the 7-day average correctly. The IRS looks at the average rental period during the tax year, not just peak season. If you have some longer stays mixed in, it could push you over the 7-day threshold. 2. **Documentation is everything**: Beyond just tracking hours for material participation, also document what specific activities you're doing. "Property management" is too vague - break it down into "guest communication," "cleaning coordination," "maintenance scheduling," etc. This detail matters in an audit. 3. **State tax considerations**: Don't forget that your state might have different rules. Some states don't follow the federal 7-day rule, so you might end up with different treatment on state vs federal returns. 4. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: Since you'll be paying self-employment tax on Schedule C income, make sure you're making quarterly payments if your liability is over $1,000. The underpayment penalties can be steep. The QBI deduction Sara mentioned is definitely a game-changer if you qualify. Just make sure you're working with a tax pro who understands STR taxation - I've seen too many preparers mess this up.
This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about calculating the average stay correctly! I hadn't thought about how longer stays during off-season could affect the calculation. Quick question - when you mention documenting specific activities, do you recommend tracking this daily or is weekly summary sufficient? I'm trying to find the right balance between being thorough and not making this a full-time job itself. Also, for the quarterly estimated taxes, is there a safe harbor rule I should know about? I'm used to having taxes withheld from my W-2 job, so this whole estimated payment thing is new territory for me.
Omar Fawzi
This is such a common source of confusion! I went through the exact same thing when I started freelancing for US companies from Toronto. The key thing to understand is that there's a difference between where your income is "sourced" for tax purposes and what documentation the US company needs to have on file. You're right that your income is sourced to Canada since that's where you're physically performing the work, which means you won't owe US taxes on it. However, the US company still needs the W-8BEN form as proof that you're a foreign person not subject to US withholding tax. Think of it this way: without the W-8BEN, the default assumption is that they need to withhold 30% from your payments and send it to the IRS. The form is what tells them "hey, this person is Canadian and exempt from withholding under the tax treaty." I'd definitely recommend filling it out. It only takes about 10 minutes and it protects both you and your client. Plus, many US companies won't even process payments to foreign contractors without having this form on file first.
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Ethan Brown
ā¢This is exactly the explanation I needed! The distinction between income sourcing and documentation requirements makes everything so much clearer. I was getting hung up on the conflicting information about whether my work being performed in Canada meant I didn't need any US forms at all. Your analogy about the default 30% withholding really helps - so the W-8BEN is basically my way of saying "don't withhold taxes from me because I'm covered under the treaty." That makes total sense why the US company would require it regardless of where I'm physically working. Thanks for sharing your Toronto experience too - it's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same confusion and figured it out!
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Ravi Choudhury
I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! I'm a Canadian web developer working for a tech startup in Silicon Valley, and I was also confused when they sent me the W-8BEN form. After reading through all these responses, it's clear that filling out the form is the right move. What really helped me understand is the distinction between where your income is "sourced" (Canada, since that's where we're doing the work) versus the documentation the US company needs to avoid withholding taxes from our payments. One thing I'd add is that when you fill out Part II of the form to claim treaty benefits, make sure you reference Article VII of the US-Canada tax treaty like Elijah mentioned. I put "Business profits exempt under Article VII of the US-Canada Income Tax Convention" in the explanation box. Also, keep a copy for your records! My accountant told me it's good documentation to have when filing my Canadian tax return to show that no US taxes were withheld from this income source. The whole process took me maybe 15 minutes once I understood what I was doing. Way better than stressing about conflicting information or risking the client having to withhold 30% of my payments!
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Nia Wilson
ā¢This is so helpful, thank you for sharing your experience! I'm also a Canadian freelancer (working in digital marketing) and was getting stressed about this whole W-8BEN situation. Your point about keeping a copy for Canadian tax filing is really smart - I hadn't thought about that documentation aspect. Quick question - when you filled out Part II claiming the treaty benefits, did you need to provide any additional documentation to your US client, or was just the completed W-8BEN form sufficient? I want to make sure I'm not missing any steps that could cause delays in getting paid. Also, did your client's accounting team give you any feedback on how you filled it out, or did they just accept it as-is? I'm a bit nervous about making mistakes since this is my first time dealing with cross-border contract work.
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