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One thing nobody mentioned - Form 8332. If parents can agree, the custodial parent can sign this form to release their claim to the exemption, even if the child lived with them more. This might be a good solution if they can work out an agreement (like each parent claims one child). Also, if they're truly 50/50 and neither parent can prove they had more nights, the IRS tiebreaker goes to higher AGI anyway, which sounds like it would be your brother.
This! My ex and I alternate years using Form 8332. I claim our daughter on even years, he claims her on odd years. The IRS has never questioned it because we have the signed form. Simplest solution if they can be adults about it.
Your brother should also consider setting up a shared photo album (like Google Photos or iCloud) where both parents can add timestamped photos of the kids during their respective custody time. This creates an automatic digital trail that's hard to falsify. I'd also recommend he starts taking screenshots of his phone's location history if he has it enabled - it can show patterns of where he was (home vs. ex's house) during custody exchanges. Most smartphones track this automatically. One more tip: if the twins go to any regular activities (library story time, playground visits, etc.), he should try to get receipts or sign-in sheets when possible. Even small documentation like this helps build the overall picture of active custody. The key is starting this documentation NOW, not waiting until tax season. The IRS wants to see consistent patterns over time, not just a few weeks of suddenly detailed record-keeping.
The shared photo album idea is really smart - I never thought of that! One question though: does the IRS actually look at location data from phones, or is that getting too into privacy territory? I'm dealing with a similar situation and want to make sure I'm not going overboard with documentation. Also, would bank records showing purchases near his home during custody days be helpful? Like if he bought groceries or took the kids to local places, those transaction locations might support his case.
Had this same issue! If you previously had an IP PIN but can't get a new one in time, you have a few options: 1. File an extension using Form 4868 - this gives you until October to file (but you still need to pay any taxes owed by the original deadline) 2. File by paper - slower processing but allows you to include an explanation about the IP PIN situation 3. Contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service if you're facing financial hardship due to refund delays Just don't skip the PIN if your account is flagged as needing one - guaranteed rejection!
Doesn't filing by paper take forever to process though? I heard the IRS has like a 10-month backlog on paper returns rn
Yes, paper filing is significantly slower these days. Current processing times are around 6-8 weeks minimum for paper returns, but can definitely stretch longer during peak filing season. It's definitely not ideal if you're expecting a refund you need quickly. The extension is usually the better option as it gives you time to properly retrieve your IP PIN while still protecting you from late filing penalties. Just remember that an extension to file is not an extension to pay, so estimate and pay any taxes due by the regular deadline.
Just posting to save someone else the headache I went through... If you enroll in the IP PIN program, you're in it FOR LIFE. They don't make this super clear! Once you get a PIN, you'll need one EVERY year going forward. Ask me how I know š
Wait seriously?? I'm about to enroll but didn't realize it's permanent. Is there ANY way to opt out later if I need to??
Unfortunately no, there's no way to opt out of the IP PIN program once you're enrolled. The IRS considers it a permanent security measure. Even if you never had identity theft issues and enrolled voluntarily, you're stuck with needing a PIN every year. I learned this the hard way too - enrolled thinking it was just extra security I could drop later, but nope! Now I have to remember to get my PIN every January or deal with filing headaches. Just something to keep in mind before enrolling if you're not absolutely sure you need it.
Just wanted to add another option that might help - if you're really cutting it close to the deadline, many post offices extend their hours on tax day (April 15th) specifically for tax returns. Some even stay open until midnight! Call your local post office to confirm their extended hours. Also, if you're in a major city, look for the main post office or processing center - they often have drive-through service where you can drop off your certified mail without even getting out of your car. This can save you tons of time compared to waiting in line inside. One more thing - if you do end up mailing close to the deadline, take a photo of your envelope with the postmark clearly visible when you drop it off. It's extra documentation that you filed on time, just in case there are any questions later. Good luck with your first filing! It gets easier each year once you know the process.
This is super helpful information! I had no idea that post offices extend their hours on tax day. That drive-through option sounds amazing too - definitely going to look into whether my local post office has that service. The photo tip is really smart as well, I wouldn't have thought of that but it makes total sense to have that extra proof. Thanks for taking the time to share all these practical tips - as a first-time filer, this kind of real-world advice is exactly what I needed to hear!
Another thing to consider as a first-time filer - if you're really nervous about the mailing process, you might want to look into filing an extension (Form 4868) to give yourself more time. You can actually e-file the extension for free even if you plan to mail your actual return later. This buys you until October 15th to file, though you still need to pay any taxes owed by the original deadline. That said, if you have everything ready to go, definitely just mail it now! The advice about USPS with tracking is spot-on. I always use Priority Mail Express for tax returns because it includes tracking, insurance, and guaranteed delivery date - gives me complete peace of mind for something as important as taxes. Yeah, it costs more, but considering how stressful tax season can be, the extra $25-30 is worth it to me. Also, don't forget to sign your return! It's one of the most common mistakes that delays processing. The IRS will mail it back to you unsigned, which obviously defeats the purpose of getting it postmarked by the deadline.
Not to muddy the waters, but have you considered the possibility that this might be Section 1231 property? If so, neither Schedule D nor reporting it as ordinary income on the front of the return may be correct - Form 4797 might still be relevant but for different reasons.
But wouldn't Section 1231 only apply if the property was used in a trade or business? OP said it was flipped within 10 days and never rented out, so I don't think it was ever placed in service for the rental business.
You're absolutely right, @ApolloJackson. For Section 1231 treatment, the property would need to be used in a trade or business or held for the production of income. Since this property was never placed in service for rental purposes and was flipped immediately, it wouldn't qualify for Section 1231 treatment. The analysis really comes down to the capital asset vs. ordinary income question that others have outlined. Given that it was never used in the business operations and was an isolated transaction, Schedule D still seems like the most defensible position for @Jibriel.
Based on all the discussion here, I think you're on the right track with Schedule D treatment, but I'd strongly recommend getting this reviewed by someone with deep S-Corp expertise before filing. The short holding period (10 days) is really the biggest red flag that could invite IRS scrutiny. One thing I haven't seen mentioned - make sure you're also considering the impact on your client's QBI deduction. If this gain ends up being treated as ordinary business income rather than capital gains, it could affect their Section 199A calculation. The characterization of this transaction could have ripple effects beyond just the immediate tax on the gain. Also, given that this is a $135K gain, the stakes are high enough that it might be worth investing in a private letter ruling if your client is concerned about audit risk. It's expensive but would give you definitive guidance for this specific situation.
Great point about the QBI implications! I hadn't thought about that ripple effect. The Section 199A deduction could definitely be impacted depending on how this gets characterized. Just wanted to add - as someone relatively new to complex S-Corp issues - would a private letter ruling really be worth it for a one-time transaction like this? I know they're expensive (isn't it like $10k+ just for the filing fee?). Given that this seems like a pretty straightforward application of existing case law and the multi-factor test @Charlie mentioned, wouldn't the cost outweigh the benefit unless the client plans to do more flips in the future? That said, with $135K at stake, I can see the argument for extra certainty. Just curious about your thoughts on when PLRs make sense for practitioners like us dealing with these gray area situations.
Amina Toure
Does anyone know if using a tax professional to file the late Form 2553 increases the chances of acceptance? I'm in this exact situation, and I'm wondering if it's worth paying someone to handle it or if doing it myself is just as effective as long as I'm honest about the reason for lateness.
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Oliver Weber
ā¢I did mine myself with just the reasonable cause statement saying I was a new business owner unaware of the deadline. It was accepted without issues. Unless your situation is complicated (multiple shareholders, special allocations, etc.), the form is pretty straightforward. Save your money!
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Darcy Moore
I went through this exact same situation last year and want to share what worked for me. I missed the 75-day deadline by about 3 months and was terrified the IRS would reject my application. For the reasonable cause statement, I kept it simple and honest: "As a first-time business owner, I was unaware of the 75-day election deadline requirement for Form 2553. Upon learning of this requirement through research and consultation, I am filing this election promptly." That's basically it - no elaborate excuses or sob stories. The key things that helped my case: 1. I attached the reasonable cause statement as a separate page (don't try to squeeze it into margins) 2. I made sure ALL shareholders signed - even if it's just you 3. I sent it certified mail with return receipt 4. I clearly indicated my desired effective date Got approved in about 7 weeks. The IRS really is more understanding than people think, especially for genuine first-time business owner mistakes. Just be honest about not knowing the deadline and file as soon as you can. Good luck!
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Paloma Clark
ā¢This is really reassuring to hear! I'm in almost the exact same boat - missed the deadline by about 4 months and have been stressed about it. Your simple and straightforward approach for the reasonable cause statement gives me confidence that I don't need to overcomplicate things. Quick question - when you say "clearly indicated your desired effective date," did you put that in Part I of the form where it asks for the tax year, or did you mention it separately in your reasonable cause statement as well? I want to make sure the IRS understands I want S-corp status to begin from when I started generating income, not from when they approve the late filing. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear as a fellow first-time business owner!
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