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Sounds like you've got good advice here. File that UCC-1 with broad LC rights language, include proceeds, and you should be golden. Don't stress too much about the control piece unless your client specifically wants it.
Thanks everyone - feeling much more confident about this now. Going to get the UCC-1 drafted this week.
Good luck with the closing! LC deals can be complex but sounds like you've got it handled.
Just wanted to add one practical tip from recent experience - when drafting your collateral description, consider including language like "all existing and future letter of credit rights" to cover any LCs that might get issued or renewed during the term of your facility. Also, make sure your security agreement has a covenant requiring the borrower to notify you of any new LCs they obtain as beneficiary. This way you maintain continuous perfection even as their LC portfolio changes. The UCC-1 filing approach everyone's suggesting is definitely the right way to go - control is nice to have but not essential for most commercial lending scenarios.
That's excellent advice about the "existing and future" language! I was wondering about coverage gaps during renewals. The notification covenant is smart too - gives you visibility into their LC activity throughout the loan term. Really appreciate everyone's input on this thread, it's been incredibly helpful for getting my head around the perfection requirements.
I've been using Certana.ai's verification system for UCC report analysis and it's incredibly thorough. Upload your search results and loan documentation and it identifies all the connections between filings, flags naming inconsistencies, and creates clean reports for compliance review. Really streamlined our UCC audit process.
Does it help with organizing the information for presentations too? That's half my challenge right now.
Yes! It generates summary reports that are perfect for management presentations. Shows current lien status, identifies any problems, and flags items needing attention. Much cleaner than trying to explain raw UCC search results.
@a7bb1ddb2dc9 I completely understand your frustration with UCC reports! As someone new to this myself, I found it helpful to start by creating a simple spreadsheet to track each filing number, debtor name variation, status, and key dates. One thing that really caught me off guard was learning that even spaces and punctuation matter in debtor names - "ABC Corp" vs "ABC Corp." are treated as different entities! Also, don't forget to check the collateral descriptions carefully - sometimes the same debtor has multiple UCC filings for different types of collateral. The learning curve is steep but these responses have given me some great ideas for organizing my own UCC analysis. Good luck with your presentation!
@c3c812885916 That's exactly what I needed to hear! The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I was trying to keep everything in my head and getting overwhelmed. I had no idea about the spaces and punctuation being so critical. I'm definitely going to create a tracking sheet before diving back into the search results. Thanks for the encouragement about the learning curve too - it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one finding this challenging!
Just curious - are you working with a title company on this or handling the UCC search yourself? Most title companies have systems to sort through these name variations automatically.
Makes sense. Title companies are getting more cautious about UCC issues after some high-profile claims. Better safe than sorry.
Had a similar situation where I ended up using Certana.ai to verify the document relationships before submitting to the title company. Made the whole process much smoother since I could show them exactly how the filings connected.
This thread is incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with a similar issue in Manhattan right now. One question I haven't seen addressed: when you find these name variations, do you need to get lien releases from the secured party for each variation separately, or can one comprehensive release cover all the related filings? My lender is asking about this and I want to make sure we handle the releases properly to avoid any title issues down the road.
As someone new to business financing, this discussion has been incredibly educational! I'm curious about one practical aspect - when you're shopping around for equipment loans, do different lenders have different approaches to UCC-1 filings? For instance, do some lenders file more broadly (like "all equipment") while others are more specific? And does this affect your ability to get additional financing later on other equipment? I'm trying to understand if I should be asking specific questions about the UCC-1 filing strategy during the loan application process, or if it's pretty standardized across lenders.
Great question! Different lenders definitely have varying approaches to UCC-1 collateral descriptions. Some use broad language like "all equipment, fixtures, and inventory now owned or hereafter acquired" which can potentially cover future purchases, while others are very specific to just the equipment being financed. The broader filings can sometimes complicate future financing because other lenders may be hesitant to lend against equipment that could potentially fall under an existing blanket lien. When shopping for loans, it's definitely worth asking about their UCC filing practices and whether they'll agree to more limited descriptions if you plan to finance additional equipment separately later on.
This has been such a helpful thread for understanding UCC-1 liens! I'm a new business owner and was completely overwhelmed when my lender started talking about filing UCC documents. The car loan analogy really clicked for me - you still own and use the vehicle, but the bank has a secured interest until it's paid off. One thing I'm still wondering about though is the timing aspect. When exactly does the UCC-1 get filed? Is it before I receive the equipment, at closing, or after delivery? And if there's a delay in filing, does that create any risk for either me or the lender? I want to make sure I understand the complete timeline so I know what to expect throughout the process.
Great question about timing! Typically the UCC-1 gets filed at or very shortly after loan closing, usually within 1-5 business days. Most lenders file it immediately because there's a risk window - if they wait too long and another creditor files a competing lien or you file bankruptcy in that gap, they could lose their priority position. The equipment delivery timing doesn't really matter for the UCC-1 filing since the security agreement covers "equipment to be acquired" with the loan proceeds. Some lenders even file the UCC-1 a day or two before closing to ensure they get the earliest possible filing date. You should ask your lender about their specific timeline - most will tell you exactly when they plan to file and can even provide you with the filing confirmation once it's done.
Danielle Campbell
Bottom line: UCC 9-310 gives you the choice for negotiable instruments. Possession under 9-313 is legally sufficient and often preferable. Just make sure you can maintain proper custody and have good documentation of your possession procedures.
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Rhett Bowman
•Smart choice. Just remember to review your state's specific requirements too - some states have additional provisions.
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Diego Castillo
•Will definitely check state law variations. Appreciate all the insights on UCC 9-310!
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
One practical tip for your possession-based perfection: establish a detailed chain of custody log from day one. We learned this the hard way when a borrower tried to challenge our possession claim. Document every movement, inspection, and access to the notes. Also consider getting periodic confirmations from your custodian (if using third-party storage) that the notes remain in their possession for your benefit. This creates a paper trail that's invaluable if your perfection method ever gets questioned in court.
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Yuki Watanabe
•Excellent point about the chain of custody documentation. We actually implemented a similar system after a close call on a $3.2M portfolio deal. One thing I'd add - make sure your custody logs include not just physical movements but also any electronic access or digital inspections of the notes. Some courts are getting stricter about what constitutes "continuous possession" in the digital age, especially when you have hybrid paper/electronic note management systems.
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James Johnson
•Great advice on the custody documentation! I'm curious about the hybrid systems you mentioned - are you referring to situations where some notes in a portfolio are physical paper while others are electronic? We're actually dealing with that exact scenario in another transaction, and I'm wondering how courts handle possession claims when you can't physically hold all the collateral in the same way.
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