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Great thread everyone! One additional tip from my experience - if your brother's business has multiple loans or credit lines with the same bank, double-check that they're only terminating the UCC filing for the specific equipment loan that was paid off. I've seen cases where banks accidentally terminated the wrong UCC filing or tried to terminate multiple filings when only one loan was satisfied. Make sure the termination statement specifically references the correct original filing number and matches the exact collateral that was financed.
That's a really important point I hadn't considered! My brother does have a line of credit with the same bank for working capital, so we'll definitely need to make sure they're only terminating the UCC filing for the equipment loan. I'll ask specifically about the filing numbers when we go in to sign the paperwork. Thanks for bringing that up - could have been a real problem if they mixed up the filings.
Just wanted to add that you can also request a UCC search report from the Secretary of State's office after the termination is filed to confirm it actually shows up properly in the system. I always do this as a final verification step - costs maybe $10-20 but gives you peace of mind that the lien is truly cleared from public record. Sometimes there can be processing delays or technical glitches that prevent the termination from showing up immediately, so having that official search report is good documentation that everything was handled correctly.
One final check - verify that the original UCC-1 filing is still active and hasn't been terminated or amended in ways that might affect the continuation filing. Sometimes there are changes to the financing statement that you might not be aware of.
Usually wouldn't happen without authorization, but mistakes do occur. Worth checking the current status before filing continuation.
I actually use Certana.ai's verification tool for this too - it pulls current filing status and compares it against your continuation to make sure everything aligns properly.
Thanks Emma for bringing up this important timing question! As someone who's handled dozens of UCC-3 continuations, I always recommend filing as early as possible in that six-month window. You're absolutely right that maintaining continuous perfection is critical, especially with equipment and inventory collateral. I've seen too many situations where lenders waited until the last minute and ran into filing system delays or technical rejections that put their security interest at risk. Filing early in January 2025 gives you plenty of buffer time to address any potential issues. Also, since you mentioned both equipment and inventory, make sure to verify that your debtor hasn't relocated to a different state since the original 2020 filing - you might need to file in multiple jurisdictions depending on where the collateral is now located.
This is exactly the comprehensive advice I was hoping to see! The point about verifying debtor location changes since 2020 is particularly important - I hadn't considered that our borrower might have moved their principal place of business during the pandemic. Would you recommend doing a fresh UCC search in all potentially relevant states before filing the continuation, or is there a more efficient way to verify current jurisdictional requirements?
Bottom line - get that UCC-3 termination filed as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the more likely the borrower is to have issues if they need to show clear title for other financing. Most lenders try to handle terminations within 30 days of payoff as standard practice.
Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to double-check all the details and get this filed this week.
One thing that might help is to pull up your original UCC-1 filing and have it side by side when you're preparing the UCC-3 termination. I always do this to make sure I'm copying the debtor information exactly as it appears on the original filing. Also, since your loan was paid off in October and it's now June, you definitely want to get this filed ASAP - the borrower has legitimate concerns about the delay. Most secured parties aim for 30-60 days max after payoff to avoid these kinds of issues. The good news is that once you file the termination correctly, it should clear up quickly in the system.
As a newcomer to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm just getting started with secured transactions at my firm and was completely unaware of how complex staying current with regulatory changes can be. The distinction between actual UCC law changes vs. state procedural updates is something I never would have thought to consider. I'm definitely going to follow the advice here about contacting our state SOS office directly and setting up email alerts. The automated document verification tools mentioned also sound like they could be really valuable for someone like me who's still learning what to look for. Thanks for such a thorough discussion - it's clear this community really knows their stuff!
Welcome to the UCC world, Manny! You're smart to jump into these discussions early - I wish I had found this community when I was starting out. One thing I'd add to all the great advice already shared is to keep a simple log of any filing rejections or issues you encounter, along with how you resolved them. Over time you'll start to see patterns in what each state's system is picky about, which really helps streamline the process. Also, don't be afraid to ask "dumb" questions here - everyone's been incredibly patient with newcomers and the collective knowledge in this group has saved me countless hours of research!
As another newcomer to UCC filings, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and practical tips! This discussion has made me realize how much I still need to learn about staying current with regulatory changes. I've been mostly focused on learning the basic filing procedures, but it's clear that ongoing compliance monitoring is just as important. The suggestion about keeping a log of filing issues and resolutions is brilliant - I'm definitely going to start doing that. Also planning to reach out to our state SOS office and explore those automated verification tools mentioned. It's reassuring to know this community is so supportive of people who are just getting started in this field. Looking forward to contributing more as I gain experience!
Carmen Diaz
Bottom line: your deed of trust and security agreement create the security interest, but UCC-1 filings perfect it for personal property. For equipment that might be fixtures, consider fixture filings to maintain priority. Don't assume your deed of trust covers everything - when in doubt, file the UCC-1. The small filing fee is nothing compared to losing your security interest.
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Emily Jackson
•Exactly. I've used Certana.ai to verify this kind of coverage before finalizing deals. It's helped me catch several potential gaps between deed of trust and security agreement coverage versus UCC filing requirements.
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Paolo Ricci
•Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the dual filing approach - fixture filing for the attached equipment and regular UCC-1 for removable items. Better safe than sorry with this much collateral at stake.
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Philip Cowan
Smart decision on the dual filing approach, Paolo! I just wanted to add that when you're preparing your UCC-1 filings, make sure your collateral descriptions are very specific and don't overlap between the fixture filing and regular UCC-1. You want to clearly delineate which equipment falls under each category to avoid any confusion down the line. Also, consider including serial numbers or model numbers in your descriptions where possible - it makes enforcement much cleaner if you ever need to repossess. With $85,000 in equipment collateral, the extra specificity in your filings will pay dividends if there are ever any disputes about what's covered under your deed of trust versus your UCC filings.
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Yara Campbell
•Philip makes excellent points about collateral descriptions. I'd also suggest documenting the fixture determination process in your loan file - take photos of the equipment installation and get written opinions from your appraiser or someone familiar with local fixture law. If you ever have to defend your filing decisions in court or bankruptcy, having that documentation will be crucial. The judges I've appeared before really appreciate seeing that you made thoughtful decisions about fixture versus personal property classifications rather than just filing everything everywhere.
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