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Ethan Taylor

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The 9-606 notice timing sounds fine, but I'd be more concerned about the content of your notice. Did you include the specific UCC 9-614 required elements? Missing required content can be more problematic than timing issues.

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Ethan Taylor

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That's probably wise given the amount at stake. An attorney can review both the notice compliance and the service issues to determine your collection prospects.

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Yuki Ito

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Definitely get legal review for a $180K deficiency. The cost of attorney review is minimal compared to losing collection rights over a notice technicality.

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NightOwl42

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As someone who's handled multiple UCC 9-606 challenges, your 12-day notice period with certified mail delivery should generally satisfy the "reasonable notification" requirement under Ohio law. However, the authorization issue you mentioned is concerning - if the debtor can prove the person who signed wasn't authorized to receive legal notices, that could potentially invalidate your notice regardless of timing. I'd recommend pulling the debtor's corporate records from the Ohio Secretary of State to identify registered agents or officers, then consider re-serving notice to eliminate any service challenges before pursuing the $180K deficiency. The cost of proper re-notice is minimal compared to the risk of losing collection rights on a procedural issue.

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Nia Harris

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Document everything! Send them a written objection letter immediately citing UCC 9-611's reasonable notice requirement. For specialized manufacturing equipment worth $180k, 8 days is clearly insufficient - courts have consistently held that high-value specialized collateral requires adequate time to reach appropriate buyers. Include in your letter that you're exploring refinancing options and need reasonable time per Article 9 standards. Also request they provide proof they notified all required parties including any junior lienholders. This creates a paper trail if you need to challenge the sale in court later.

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Ethan Davis

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This is excellent advice about documenting everything! A written objection citing specific UCC provisions creates a strong legal record. Make sure to send it certified mail so you have proof of delivery and timing. The paper trail could be crucial if this ends up in court.

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Based on everything discussed here, you have multiple strong grounds to challenge this timeline. With specialized manufacturing equipment worth $180k and only being behind $12k, their 8-day notice is almost certainly insufficient under UCC 9-611's "reasonable notice" standard. I'd recommend taking action on several fronts immediately: 1) Send that written objection letter citing insufficient notice for high-value specialized collateral, 2) Verify they properly notified your junior lienholder, 3) Review your original security agreement for any contractual notice periods that exceed UCC minimums, and 4) Consider using a service like the document verification tool Anna mentioned to check for any UCC filing inconsistencies. Even if you can't cure the default right away, challenging the notice period buys you time to explore refinancing or find alternative buyers who might pay closer to fair market value. Don't let them rush this - your equipment is worth far more than your debt.

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Nia Jackson

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One thing I learned the hard way - always search both the company's current legal name AND any former names if they've changed. Older filings might be under the old name and won't show up in searches of the current name.

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Nia Jackson

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Check their articles of incorporation and any amendments filed with the state. Name changes should be documented there.

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Emma Wilson

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Also check Dun & Bradstreet or other business credit reports - they often list former names and DBAs.

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Luca Ricci

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One more tip that hasn't been mentioned - if the target company has any subsidiaries or related entities, make sure you're searching for UCC filings against those as well. Sometimes parent companies guarantee subsidiary debt or subsidiaries cross-guarantee each other's obligations. I've seen deals where the main entity looked clean but a subsidiary had significant liens that ultimately affected the whole acquisition. Get a complete corporate family tree and search each entity individually.

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This is such a crucial point that gets overlooked! I'm dealing with a target that has like 8 subsidiaries across different states. Should I be searching for filings under each subsidiary's name in every state where any of them operate, or just focus on the states where each specific subsidiary is active?

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Just want to add that this isn't unique to D&B - I've seen similar issues with other commercial databases too. The fundamental problem is that they're trying to aggregate data from 50+ different state systems that all work differently. Some states have great APIs, others are still basically manual entry. Until there's better standardization across state filing systems, these discrepancies are going to keep happening.

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Paolo Conti

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That's a really good point about the systemic issues. It's not necessarily that D&B is doing anything wrong, it's just the nature of trying to aggregate inconsistent data sources.

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Amina Diallo

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Still doesn't excuse the fact that they're selling this data to lenders who are making million-dollar decisions based on it. There should be better quality control and clearer disclaimers about data limitations.

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Yara Abboud

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This thread perfectly captures why I've moved away from relying on D&B for UCC searches altogether. We now use a two-tier approach: start with our state databases directly for primary jurisdictions, then use D&B only as a backup to catch anything we might have missed in secondary states. The time investment upfront is worth it to avoid the headaches later. One tip I'd add - if you're seeing consistent discrepancies with a particular borrower, check if they've had any recent name changes or corporate restructuring. D&B sometimes struggles to properly link filings across entity name variations, especially when there are mergers or acquisitions involved.

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Amina Toure

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Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. Makes me feel less stupid for falling for this scam. Going forward I'm only using services that provide direct links to the actual state filing records so I can verify everything myself.

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Don't feel stupid - these scams are designed to look legitimate. The important thing is catching it before it causes bigger problems.

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Mei Lin

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That's a smart approach. Any reputable UCC search service should be able to provide direct references to the actual state filings they're reporting on.

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This is such an important warning for everyone in our community. I've been doing UCC searches for years and I'm seeing more of these scam operations pop up every month. One thing I always tell people is to look for red flags like generic email addresses (gmail, yahoo, etc.) instead of professional domains, and websites that don't clearly state their physical business address. Also, legitimate UCC search providers will usually offer to walk you through their methodology and explain where they source their data from. If a company gets evasive about their process or won't provide references from other clients, that's a huge warning sign. Thanks for sharing your experience - it'll definitely help others avoid the same trap.

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Amina Sy

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This is exactly the kind of guidance newcomers like me need! I'm just starting to handle UCC searches for my small practice and honestly didn't know what warning signs to look for. The generic email address tip is particularly helpful - I would have never thought to check that. Is there a resource or database where you can verify if a UCC search company is legitimate before using their services? I'd rather spend extra time vetting providers upfront than deal with the nightmare of fake documents later.

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