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Mae Bennett

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This happens more often than people realize. Many businesses assume their main commercial agreement (loan, lease, etc.) automatically creates a perfectable security interest, but UCC Article 9 has specific requirements for security agreement formation. Without proper agreement language, there's no security interest to perfect.

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Mae Bennett

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Depends on your original agreement language. If it's close, you might be able to amend it. If not, you'll probably need a new security agreement with proper UCC language. Either way, you'll need the debtor's signature on whatever creates the security interest.

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Melina Haruko

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I'd recommend having an attorney review the existing lease to see if it can be salvaged with an amendment versus needing completely new documentation.

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Been there! Our first few UCC filings got rejected for the same reason. The problem was our loan agreements talked about collateral but never actually said the borrower was granting us a security interest in it. Had to learn the hard way that UCC filings require very specific underlying documentation.

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Dana Doyle

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How did you fix your documentation going forward?

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Got templates from our attorney that have all the right UCC language built in. Now every financing includes a proper security agreement alongside the main loan docs. Haven't had a rejection since.

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StellarSurfer

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Bottom line: get your documents consistent before filing. I learned this the hard way when a UCC-1 got rejected because the collateral description didn't match what was actually in our security agreement. Now I always double-check everything matches up. There are tools that can help with this kind of verification if you don't want to do it manually.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Definitely learned our lesson about document consistency. Going to triple-check everything before we submit.

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StellarSurfer

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Smart move. Better to spend extra time upfront than deal with rejected filings later.

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Sean Kelly

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UPDATE: Finally got this sorted out. Turns out the lender did want both the equipment AND our accounts receivable from jobs using the equipment. The 'account UCC definition' confusion was because they were using sloppy terminology. Equipment stays equipment, future receivables are accounts. Two separate types of collateral, both properly described now in the UCC-1. Thanks everyone for the help working through this!

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Emma Taylor

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Nice resolution. Proper collateral descriptions make all the difference in these filings.

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Amina Sy

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Good outcome. Always important to get the terminology right in secured transactions.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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I would also recommend getting title insurance for this transaction if the dollar amount justifies it. Even with thorough UCC 11 searches, there's always risk of missing something or having liens appear after closing. Title insurance can provide additional protection for larger equipment purchases.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Title insurance for equipment purchases? I've never heard of that. Is this common practice for larger deals?

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Yuki Yamamoto

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It's becoming more common for high-value equipment transactions, especially when there are multiple existing liens or complex ownership structures. Not all title companies offer it, but it's worth exploring for deals over $100K.

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Paolo Moretti

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses. I've run additional searches using various name formats and found 2 more liens I initially missed. I'm definitely going to use the Certana.ai tool mentioned to verify I have everything before moving forward. The seller is now claiming they weren't aware of some of these liens, which makes me even more cautious about this deal. I'll make sure to get written lien release commitments for every single filing before closing.

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Smart approach. Better to be overly thorough upfront than deal with lien problems after closing. Good luck with the transaction!

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Zoe Papadakis

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You're doing everything right. The fact that the seller wasn't aware of their own liens is definitely concerning, but at least you caught it early in the process.

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Zara Khan

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One more thing to consider - if your borrower has significant international operations, you might want to coordinate the timing of your UCC filings with their PPSR registrations to avoid gaps in coverage. Even though they're separate systems, the underlying collateral might move between jurisdictions.

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Zara Khan

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Yeah, it's especially important for equipment that might be temporarily relocated. You want continuous coverage even if the asset crosses borders.

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This kind of coordination is where having a centralized document verification system really helps. Being able to upload all your security documents and check for consistency across jurisdictions saves tons of time.

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Update: Thanks everyone for the advice. I ended up creating separate, clean UCC-1 filings for each entity with US-only collateral descriptions. Removed all PPSR references from the UCC documents but kept the comprehensive GSA as the master agreement. Everything got accepted without issues.

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Malik Jenkins

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Glad it worked out. The extra time spent on clean documentation always pays off.

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Nia Williams

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Thanks for following up with the resolution. Always helpful to see how these situations actually get resolved.

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Ava Harris

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Just wanted to add that timing is important here. If you're going to file amendments or new UCC-1s, don't wait. The gap between discovering the problem and fixing it could be used against you if there's a dispute over priority.

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Henry Delgado

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Great point. We're prioritizing this review and will make corrections ASAP once we identify all the issues.

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Jacob Lee

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Yes, act quickly. Priority disputes are nasty and you want your filings to be bulletproof.

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Update us on how the document review goes! This thread has been really helpful for understanding the importance of getting debtor names exactly right.

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Henry Delgado

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Will do! Planning to start the systematic review this week using some of the suggestions here.

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I'd be interested in hearing about your results too. This is such a common problem but people don't talk about it enough.

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