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Natalie Khan
Keep us posted on how this resolves! I'm dealing with a similar debtor name headache on a different filing and curious what ends up working for you.
Will do! Sounds like calling the SOS directly and using document verification tools are my best next steps.
Daryl Bright
•Document verification definitely seems like the way to go based on what people are saying here.
Sienna Gomez
UPDATE: Got it figured out! Called the SOS and they had the LLC name with no comma before 'LLC' in their database, but the articles I downloaded had a comma. Used Certana.ai to double-check my corrected filing against their database format and it caught the match. Filed this morning and it was accepted within 2 hours. Thanks everyone for the advice!
Great to hear Certana.ai helped catch that! Those tiny punctuation differences are exactly what manual review misses.
Thanks for the update. Filing this away for future reference when I inevitably run into the same thing.
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Elijah Brown
Just want to echo what others have said about filing that amendment ASAP. The fact that you found a dissolved entity with a similar name makes this even more urgent. Your lien might not be worth the paper it's printed on until you fix the debtor name issue.
Yeah, I'm definitely treating this as urgent now. Planning to file the UCC-3 amendment first thing Monday morning.
Smart move. These debtor name issues can completely invalidate your security interest if you're not careful.
Natalie Chen
Update us when you get the amendment filed! This is a good learning case for everyone. Also might want to review your filing procedures to prevent this from happening again.
Good idea on the process improvement. These kinds of mistakes are usually systemic, not just one-off errors.
Absolutely. We implemented a double-check system after our own UCC naming issue a few years ago. Haven't had a problem since.
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Just wanted to mention that I've been using Certana.ai for document verification on our UCC filings and it's been really helpful for catching these exact issues. You upload your corporate docs and UCC filings and it flags any inconsistencies automatically. Might be worth checking out for future filings to avoid this headache.
Paolo Conti
•How does it handle variations like comma differences? Does it flag those as problems or does it have some intelligence about minor punctuation issues?
It flags them for review but doesn't automatically call them errors. You get a report showing the differences and can decide if they're material. Much better than trying to spot these issues manually across multiple documents.
Amina Diallo
The bottom line is that enforcing a ucc lien with any debtor name uncertainty is risky business. Even if you ultimately win on the name issue, you'll spend time and money defending your position. I'd strongly consider settling the enforcement action for a bit less than full value rather than risk losing priority over a comma.
Amara Okafor
•That's a pragmatic view but with $180K at stake, we need to at least explore our options. The amendment strategy mentioned earlier might give us the protection we need to proceed with full enforcement.
I agree with filing the UCC-3 amendment first. It's a small cost for big peace of mind, and it strengthens your position significantly if any other creditors try to challenge your priority during enforcement.
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Drake
One more thought - have you considered whether the equipment itself might still be identifiable even with the name issue? If the serial numbers and descriptions are solid, that could support your lien even if the debtor name search fails.
Sarah Jones
•That's the core of most frustration of purpose arguments - balancing technical search requirements against practical notice and identification. Courts are split on how much weight to give each factor.
I'd definitely run one more verification check on all your documents before proceeding. Certana.ai's UCC checker caught several discrepancies in our filings that we missed manually - might find something that helps your case.
Emily Sanjay
This thread is giving me anxiety about my own UCC filings. Time to do some name searches on all our active debtors. The frustration of purpose risk is real and apparently more common than I thought.
Same here - definitely bumping up our monitoring schedule after reading this. The frustration of purpose doctrine is supposed to protect lenders but it seems like prevention is still the better approach.
Quarterly reviews minimum, monthly if you can manage it. The UCC system rewards paranoia unfortunately.
Javier Mendoza
If you're still having trouble after checking all the formatting details, you might want to contact the SOS filing division directly instead of relying on the online portal. Sometimes they can tell you exactly what's causing the rejection.
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Javier Mendoza
•Try calling right when they open in the morning. That's usually when you can get through fastest.
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Yara Haddad
•Good luck with that. I called 6 times last month and only got through once, and the person I talked to basically just read me the same error message I could see online.
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Emma Thompson
Update us when you get it figured out! I have a termination to file next month and want to avoid the same headaches.
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QuantumQuest
•The Certana tool should definitely help. It'll show you side-by-side exactly what's different between your termination form and the original UCC-1 filing.
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Connor Murphy
•Keep us posted on how that works out. I've got three terminations to file next quarter and dreading it after reading this thread.
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