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Heather Tyson

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This is such a timely discussion for me! I just finished paying off my SBA 7(a) loan ($320K) about 2 weeks ago and received what the bank called a "loan satisfaction document." Like several others here, I can see the original UCC-1 filing is still active in my state's Secretary of State database. What's really helpful about this thread is seeing the range of experiences - from automatic terminations to people waiting months or even years. I'm definitely going to be proactive about this rather than just waiting and hoping it gets handled automatically. The advice about calling the commercial loan servicing department specifically (not general customer service) seems like the key insight. I'm also going to check my original loan documents tonight to see if there's any language requiring a written termination request, since that could explain why some lenders seem to wait for borrower action. One question for those who've been through this - is there any advantage to sending a written request for the UCC termination via certified mail in addition to calling, just to create a paper trail from day one? I'm trying to be strategic about this since I'm likely going to need financing again within the next 6-12 months.

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CosmicVoyager

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Great question about the certified mail approach! I think that's actually a really smart strategy, especially since you're planning to need financing again soon. From what I've seen in this thread, having documentation from the very beginning seems to be key for anyone who ends up needing to escalate. A certified mail letter requesting UCC termination would create an official timestamp and paper trail that could be valuable if you need to involve the SBA district office later. You could reference both your phone call and the certified letter in any follow-up emails too. I'm new to dealing with SBA loans myself, but based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like being proactive and creating multiple touchpoints (call + certified letter + email follow-up) gives you the strongest position. Plus, if your loan docs do require a written request, you'll have that covered. The extra $5-10 for certified mail seems worth it for the peace of mind and documentation it provides.

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Jamal Carter

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This whole thread has been incredibly valuable! I'm actually a newcomer to the SBA loan world - just got approved for my first 7(a) loan and we're closing next month. Reading through everyone's experiences with UCC terminations is giving me a heads up on what to expect down the road when we eventually pay it off. It sounds like the key lessons are: 1) Don't assume terminations happen automatically, 2) Know exactly who to call at your bank (commercial loan servicing/UCC filing department), 3) Document everything with email follow-ups, 4) Mention any business urgency around future financing needs, and 5) Be prepared to escalate to the SBA district office if needed. One thing I'm wondering - would it make sense to ask about the bank's UCC termination process upfront during loan closing? That way I'd know their specific procedures and timelines from the beginning rather than having to figure it out later when I'm under pressure for new financing. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight you can't get from the official loan documents!

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QuantumQuasar

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Quick question - does anyone know if there's a difference between describing goods as 'equipment' vs 'machinery'? I've been using them interchangeably but wondering if I should be more consistent.

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I always just use 'equipment' unless there's a specific reason to be more narrow. Covers more ground.

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QuantumQuasar

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Thanks, that's what I figured but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

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The confusion around collateral descriptions is totally understandable - I went through the same thing when I started doing secured transactions work. Here's what helped me get clarity: The UCC 9-108 "reasonably identify" standard is actually quite forgiving for most commercial transactions. You can absolutely use broad category descriptions like "all equipment," "all inventory," or "all accounts receivable." The key is avoiding "supergeneric" descriptions like "all personal property" or "all assets" that don't give any meaningful guidance about what's covered. For your rejected filing, I'd bet money it was a debtor name issue rather than the collateral description - those error messages from filing systems can be really misleading. Your description of "all equipment, machinery, and fixtures now owned or hereafter acquired" should be perfectly acceptable under the UCC. The after-acquired property language is standard and necessary for most commercial deals. One practical tip: stick with the UCC's defined categories (equipment, inventory, accounts, etc.) rather than trying to get too creative with industry-specific terms. And remember, broader descriptions are often better because they reduce the need for amendments when the debtor acquires new collateral.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to this community and just starting to work on UCC filings. Your point about the error messages being misleading is reassuring - I was starting to think I fundamentally misunderstood something about collateral descriptions. The distinction between broad categories vs supergeneric descriptions makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely double-check the debtor name on that rejected filing before assuming it was the collateral description issue.

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Lily Young

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Thanks everyone - this has been incredibly helpful. Sounds like I need to do much more detailed analysis of the existing filings before making any decisions. Going to pull all the UCC-1s and really dig into the collateral descriptions. The PMSI option is interesting since we are financing new equipment acquisition. Will also explore whether subordination discussions make sense with the existing lenders.

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Anita George

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Smart approach. Take your time with the analysis - rushing leads to expensive mistakes in priority situations.

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Ellie Lopez

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Definitely recommend using a document verification tool for the analysis. Much easier to spot potential issues when you can upload everything and get an automated comparison.

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One more thing to consider - make sure you understand the difference between a security interest in the equipment itself versus just the proceeds from its sale. I've seen cases where lenders thought they had priority in specific equipment but the earlier filing actually covered the proceeds too, which can complicate recovery strategies. Also, if this is equipment that might be easily moved or sold, consider whether you need additional protections like insurance requirements or location restrictions in your loan agreement, especially if you end up in a junior position.

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Adrian Hughes

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Great point about proceeds coverage - that's definitely something that gets overlooked. I'm curious about the practical enforcement differences if you have a security interest in equipment versus just proceeds. If the borrower sells the equipment without permission, are your recovery options significantly different depending on which one you have? And how do you typically monitor compliance with location restrictions, especially for mobile equipment?

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm working on my first secured transaction in Ohio and was getting overwhelmed by all the different fee structures I was seeing online. The $40 electronic/$50 paper breakdown makes it much clearer. One quick follow-up question - when you're doing the initial UCC search before filing, do you typically search under all variations of the debtor's name or just the exact legal name? I want to make sure I'm not missing any existing liens that might affect priority.

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Vanessa Chang

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@GalaxyGuardian Welcome to UCC work! One thing I'd add to Connor's excellent advice is to always get a current certificate of good standing or equivalent corporate document before doing your searches and filings. That gives you the debtor's exact legal name as it appears in state records, which is what Ohio will expect to see on your UCC-1. I've seen too many filings get rejected because someone used a "doing business as" name or an outdated corporate name. The small cost of getting that certificate upfront can save you multiple rejected filing fees down the road.

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Good question! For UCC searches in Ohio, you should definitely search the exact legal name first - that's your primary search and most important for priority purposes. But I also recommend doing searches on common variations just to be thorough. Things like abbreviated forms (if they use "Corp" vs "Corporation"), variations in punctuation, or even common misspellings. Ohio's search system is pretty literal so "ABC Corporation" and "ABC Corp." might yield different results even if they're the same entity. The extra $15 per search adds up but it's usually worth it to avoid surprises later. Also make sure you're searching the correct entity type - LLC vs Corporation searches can return different results even with similar names.

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Logan Scott

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This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about the punctuation variations potentially returning different results. That's exactly the kind of detail that could trip up someone new like me. I'll definitely budget for multiple searches rather than trying to save a few dollars and potentially missing something important. Better to be thorough upfront than deal with priority issues later.

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StarStrider

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Just went through this exact scenario last month. Start by sending a formal written demand to the secured party via certified mail requesting they provide documentation of the underlying security agreement within 30 days. Include your UCC search results showing the unauthorized filing. Most legitimate companies will respond quickly, but if they can't produce valid documentation, they're legally required to file a UCC-3 termination. Also recommend filing a complaint with your state's AG office - many have specific procedures for fraudulent UCC filings. Keep detailed records of all correspondence and any financial impacts from the unauthorized lien. The key is acting fast and being persistent.

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This is really helpful, especially the 30-day timeline. Did you have to follow up multiple times or did they respond to your first certified letter? I'm worried about getting the runaround while my refinancing sits in limbo.

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Aisha Rahman

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In my experience, you typically need to follow up at least once, sometimes twice. The first certified letter gets their attention, but many companies will test your resolve by not responding immediately. I'd recommend sending a second letter after 15 days if you don't hear back, this time mentioning potential legal action for wrongful lien. The threat of having to defend a frivolous filing usually motivates them to cooperate. For your refinancing timeline, make sure to keep your lender updated on your dispute efforts - sometimes they'll work with you if they see you're actively addressing the issue rather than ignoring it.

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Daniel White

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I went through something similar with my logistics company two years ago. Found an unauthorized UCC filing that was blocking a major equipment loan. What worked for me was immediately sending a demand letter to the secured party requesting proof of the underlying debt, while simultaneously filing a formal complaint with the Secretary of State's office. Even though they don't investigate validity, having an official complaint on record helped when I later had to involve an attorney. The secured party initially ignored my first two certified letters, but once my lawyer sent a letter threatening legal action for wrongful lien and potential damages, they filed the UCC-3 termination within a week. Total process took about 6 weeks, but the key was maintaining pressure and documenting everything. Also, notify your refinancing lender immediately about the dispute - some will put a hold on the process rather than deny outright if they see you're actively challenging the lien.

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