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One other important point: while the maximum WEP reduction increases annually with the wage index, your husband's actual WEP reduction might increase at a different rate. This is because the actual reduction depends on his specific Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) calculation. The WEP essentially changes how the first bend point in the formula is applied (reducing it from 90% to as low as 40%), but the full calculation involves all your earnings history. So the actual dollar impact can increase at a different rate than the maximum WEP amount.

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Jabari-Jo

That makes this even more complicated! I think I need to schedule an appointment with SSA to get the specific numbers for our situation. But at least now I understand the general mechanism behind the annual increases. Thank you for the detailed explanation!

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The complexity around WEP calculations can definitely be overwhelming! For planning purposes, you might also want to know that SSA typically announces the new bend points (and thus the maximum WEP reduction) in October along with the COLA announcement, but they're published in separate documents. The bend points are usually found in SSA's "National Average Wage Index" announcement. Also, if you're doing multi-year projections, historical wage index growth has averaged around 3-4% annually over the long term, though it can vary significantly year to year based on economic conditions. This might help you create rough estimates for your retirement planning until the official numbers come out.

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This is incredibly helpful information! I had no idea the bend points were announced separately from COLA - that explains why I couldn't find this info when I was looking at the regular benefits announcements. The historical 3-4% average for wage index growth gives me a good baseline for rough projections too. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all these details - this thread has been more informative than hours of trying to navigate the SSA website!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, and I think it's wonderful that you're finding love again. As someone who recently went through the survivor benefits application process myself, I can confirm what others have shared - you absolutely CAN remarry after age 60 and keep your survivor benefits from your first husband. I was in a similar situation about 6 months ago (I'm 63 now). I applied for survivor benefits at 60 and remarried at 62. The key things I learned: 1. The age 60 rule is firm - remarry before 60 and you lose benefits, remarry at 60 or after and you keep them 2. You must notify SSA within 10 days of remarrying (I used their online portal which was super easy) 3. Consider the timing - I'd suggest getting your survivor benefits established first, then remarrying once that's all sorted One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: if your new partner is also receiving Social Security, you might eventually be able to switch to spousal benefits on their record if it would be higher than your survivor benefit. It's worth discussing with an SSA representative when you apply. The whole process was much less scary than I expected, and it sounds like you're asking all the right questions. Best wishes for both your benefits application and your future happiness!

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Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear! It's reassuring to know that someone went through this same situation successfully just 6 months ago. Your timeline sounds very similar to what I'm planning (applying at 60, potentially remarrying around 62). I really appreciate the tip about using the online portal to report the marriage change - I didn't know that was an option and it sounds much easier than calling or visiting an office. The point about potentially switching to spousal benefits later is something I hadn't considered, so I'll definitely ask about that when I speak with SSA. It gives me so much peace of mind to hear from someone who actually did this recently. Thank you for the kind words about finding love again - it feels good to know there's a path forward that protects both my financial security and my future happiness!

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share something that might help with your situation. My mother-in-law went through almost the exact same thing about 5 years ago. She was widowed at 62, waited until she turned 60 to apply for survivor benefits (even though she was already past 60 when she applied), and then remarried at 65. One thing she learned that I haven't seen mentioned here is that when you're collecting survivor benefits and then remarry, SSA will actually review your case to see if you might be eligible for higher benefits. In her case, her new husband had a much higher earnings record, so after they'd been married for a year, she was able to switch to spousal benefits on his record which gave her about $300 more per month. Also, she mentioned that having all her paperwork organized made the whole process much smoother. She created a folder with copies of everything - marriage certificate, death certificate, tax returns, etc. - and brought copies to leave with SSA while keeping the originals at home. The peace of mind you'll have knowing you can remarry without losing those benefits is worth so much. Wishing you all the best as you navigate this new chapter!

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This is such valuable information, thank you for sharing your mother-in-law's experience! I hadn't thought about the potential for SSA to review my case after remarriage to see if I might qualify for higher benefits - that's definitely something I'll ask about when I apply. The tip about organizing all paperwork in a folder with copies is really practical too. I've been collecting documents but hadn't thought about the logistics of what to bring vs. what to keep at home. It sounds like your mother-in-law really benefited from being thorough and prepared. The fact that she ended up with $300 more per month after switching to spousal benefits shows how important it is to understand all your options. Thank you for the encouraging words - it really helps to hear these success stories from people who have actually been through this process!

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I'm in a similar situation but just turned 62 and wondering if I should start my survivor benefits now or wait. Reading through all these responses about COLAs applying to future benefits is really helpful! One thing I'm still confused about though - if I start survivor benefits at 62, will those also get the annual COLAs? And then when I switch to my own retirement at 70, will I get the benefit of all those COLAs that were applied to my own record during those 8 years? It sounds like from what everyone is saying that the answer is yes to both, but I want to make sure I understand this correctly before making the decision.

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Yes, you're understanding it correctly! Survivor benefits do receive annual COLAs, so if you start collecting at 62, those payments will increase each year with cost-of-living adjustments. And yes, your own retirement record also gets COLAs applied to it even while you're not collecting on it - so when you switch to your own benefits at 70, you'll get the benefit of all those accumulated COLAs plus the delayed retirement credits. The key thing to consider at 62 is whether your survivor benefit is higher than what your own reduced retirement benefit would be. If the survivor benefit is significantly higher, it often makes sense to take it and let your own record grow with COLAs and delayed credits until 70. But definitely get current benefit estimates before deciding!

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I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm 58 and my husband passed away 6 months ago. I haven't applied for survivor benefits yet because I'm still working full-time and wasn't sure if it made sense to start them now or wait. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful, especially understanding that COLAs apply to both current survivor benefits AND my future retirement benefits even while I'm not collecting on my own record yet. One question - does anyone know if there's an earnings limit that affects survivor benefits? I'm making about $65k per year and worried that might reduce any survivor benefits I'd be eligible for. Also, is it true that survivor benefits aren't reduced for early claiming the same way regular retirement benefits are? I've read conflicting information about this online. Thank you all for sharing your experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to navigate the SSA website or sitting on hold for hours!

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Alice, I'm so sorry for your loss. Yes, there is an earnings limit for survivor benefits if you're under full retirement age, and it's the same limit that applies to regular Social Security benefits. For 2024, if you're under full retirement age for the entire year, you can earn up to $22,320 without any reduction in benefits. If you earn more than that, they reduce your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit. At $65k, you'd be well over that limit, so your survivor benefits would likely be significantly reduced or even eliminated entirely while you're working full-time. However, this is where the strategy gets interesting - any benefits that are "withheld" due to the earnings test aren't actually lost forever. When you reach full retirement age, SSA recalculates your benefit to give you credit for the months when benefits were reduced or withheld. So you might want to consider waiting until you reduce your work hours or reach full retirement age to claim survivor benefits, then switch to your own record at 70 if it's higher. And yes, survivor benefits follow different reduction rules than regular retirement benefits - they're reduced less severely for early claiming, but the earnings test still applies the same way.

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Just to add one more piece of information - when you apply, make sure you request the "Restricted Application for Spousal Benefits Only" if you're married and your spouse is already collecting. This option is still available for people born before January 2, 1954. This strategy can sometimes allow you to collect spousal benefits while continuing to let your own retirement benefit grow until age 70.

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Thanks for mentioning this, but I was born in 1958, so I don't think this applies to me. My spouse isn't collecting yet either - we're the same age.

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who works in retirement planning - everything you've been told here is absolutely correct. The earnings test disappears completely the month you reach FRA, which for you is October 2025. I've helped dozens of clients navigate this exact situation. One tip I always give: since you're planning to continue working full-time with an $82k salary, consider whether you want to have federal taxes withheld from your Social Security benefits right from the start. With that income level plus Social Security, you'll likely owe taxes on a portion of your benefits. You can set up withholding when you apply, or make quarterly estimated payments - but planning ahead will save you from a surprise tax bill next April. Also, keep good records of your work earnings from January through September 2025, just in case SSA needs documentation later (though with the earnings test eliminated at FRA, it shouldn't matter for benefit calculations).

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Just wanted to add something that might help with the decision-making process. Your sister-in-law should calculate her "break-even" point to see if working is actually worth it financially. Here's a rough calculation based on what you've shared: - Annual earnings: $40,000 - Survivor benefits lost due to earnings test: ~$8,840 - Additional taxes on combined income: probably $2,000-3,000 more - Work-related expenses (transportation, work clothes, etc.): ~$1,500-2,000 So out of $40,000 in gross earnings, she might only net around $26,000-28,000 after all deductions and benefit reductions. That's still meaningful income, but it's important she understands the real financial impact. The non-financial benefits of working (social interaction, sense of purpose, staying active) might make it worthwhile even with the reduced net gain. But having realistic expectations about the money will help her make the best decision for her situation.

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This break-even analysis is really eye-opening! I hadn't thought about calculating the actual net benefit after all the deductions and reductions. That puts things in much better perspective - she'd be working full-time but only netting about 65-70% of her gross pay. I'll definitely share this framework with her so she can make a more informed decision. The social and mental health benefits might still make it worthwhile, but at least she'll know exactly what she's getting into financially. Thank you for laying it out so clearly!

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Ev Luca

I've been through a very similar situation with my own survivor benefits, and I want to emphasize something that might not be immediately obvious: the timing of when she reports her work income to SSA is crucial. If she waits until the end of the year to report, SSA will likely demand immediate repayment of the overpaid benefits, which can create serious financial stress. However, if she reports her expected annual earnings BEFORE she starts working (or within the first month), they can adjust her monthly payments prospectively. Also, she should be aware that SSA calculates the earnings test on a monthly basis during the first year of work. So if she starts mid-year, they'll prorate the annual limit. For example, if she starts in April, she'd have a higher monthly allowance for the remaining months of that year. One last tip: if her income varies (like seasonal work or irregular hours), she can request that SSA recalculate based on actual monthly earnings rather than estimated annual earnings. This can help avoid both overpayments and underpayments throughout the year. The key is communication with SSA from the very beginning - don't let them find out about the work income after the fact!

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