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One thing no one mentioned - if your daughter qualifies for SSI, she might be eligible for subsidized housing which could help with your living situation. There are often long waiting lists but some areas prioritize disabled applicants. Just something to look into while you're working on the SSI application.

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That would be amazing if she could get her own housing! The current situation is really taking a toll on both of us. I'll definitely research housing options in our area. Thank you for mentioning this - it gives me some hope for a longer-term solution.

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I'm so sorry you and your daughter are going through this difficult situation. As someone who navigated the SSI process with a family member, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help: 1. Document everything NOW - keep a daily log of her symptoms, episodes, and how they affect her daily functioning. This becomes crucial evidence later. 2. When you do get her to a psychiatrist, ask them specifically about completing a "Medical Source Statement" or RFC (Residual Functional Capacity) form - these carry significant weight in disability decisions. 3. Consider reaching out to NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) in your area - they often have support groups for families and can connect you with local resources you might not know about. 4. If she's had any emergency room visits for mental health crises, those records can be valuable documentation even if they're older. The waiting and uncertainty is exhausting, but don't give up. Many people with bipolar disorder do qualify for SSI, especially when it significantly impacts their ability to work consistently. You're doing the right thing by advocating for her.

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Thank you all SO much for the helpful information! I clearly had some major misconceptions about how all this works. I'm going to: 1. Look into volunteering first before jumping into paid work 2. Contact the WIPA program to understand my specific situation better 3. Research the Ticket to Work program 4. Rest easy knowing my husband's Medicare won't disappear when his SSDI converts It's such a relief to understand this better now. The anxiety of potentially losing healthcare coverage was really weighing on me. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain things so clearly!

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You're absolutely on the right track with your plan! One additional resource that might be helpful is your local SSA office - they can provide personalized guidance about your specific situation. Also, when you contact WIPA, ask them about "benefit planners" - they can actually run scenarios showing exactly how different earnings levels would affect your benefits. Since you mentioned being a stay-at-home mom for years, it's worth noting that if you do eventually return to work, even part-time earnings could potentially help fill in some zero-earning years in your Social Security record, which might boost your future retirement benefits. The healthcare piece is really the biggest hurdle for most people in your situation, so it's great that you now know Medicare continues seamlessly. That knowledge alone should help you sleep better! Best of luck with whatever path you choose.

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This thread has been so educational! I'm new to this community and facing similar questions about SSDI and work. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge. It's reassuring to see such helpful support here. I'm definitely going to bookmark this discussion and follow up on the WIPA program suggestion - I had no idea that kind of free counseling was available!

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Just to clarify something important that might not be obvious from the other responses - when you do eventually claim survivor benefits, you'll need to apply for them. Social Security doesn't automatically switch you over or start paying them when your husband passes away. You'll need to contact SSA (or visit a local office) with the death certificate, marriage certificate, and other documentation to start the process. Also, survivor benefits can be paid retroactively for up to 6 months from the date you apply, so don't worry if there's a delay in getting the paperwork together during what's already a difficult time. The key is to apply as soon as you reasonably can after the loss.

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That's really important information about needing to actively apply - I wouldn't have known that Social Security doesn't automatically start survivor benefits! The 6-month retroactive payment rule is also good to know, especially since dealing with paperwork during grief can be overwhelming. I'll make sure to keep all our important documents organized and easily accessible. Thank you for thinking to mention these practical details that could really matter when the time comes.

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I just want to echo what others have said about the importance of planning ahead and having those conversations with SSA. My situation is similar to yours - I'm 61 and my husband is 64, and his estimated benefit is quite a bit higher than mine too. One thing I learned when I called SSA last month is that they can actually run hypothetical scenarios for you over the phone. They were able to tell me exactly what my survivor benefit would be at different claiming ages, and how it would compare to my own retirement benefit if I delayed claiming. It really helped me understand my options better than just trying to figure it out from the website. The representative I spoke with was very patient and walked me through several "what if" scenarios. If you do call, I'd suggest having both of your Social Security statements handy so they can give you the most accurate information for your specific situation.

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Well EXCUSE ME for trying to help!!!!! I was just saying she should look into ALL options!!!! Some people have very little in savings after a spouse dies!!!! 🙄

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Miguel. Losing a spouse suddenly is devastating, and navigating the benefits system while grieving makes it even harder. Based on what others have shared, here's a quick summary to help you plan: **Your options:** - Age 60: Reduced survivor benefits (about 71.5% of his full amount) - Age 67: Full survivor benefits (100% of what he would have received) **Key things to remember:** - The reduction is permanent if you claim early - You can't collect both survivor and your own retirement benefits simultaneously - Since you have some work credits, you might benefit from the "claim one, switch later" strategy others mentioned **Next steps I'd suggest:** 1. Check your Social Security statement online (ssa.gov/myaccount) to see your exact work credits 2. Get an estimate of both your potential survivor benefit and your own retirement benefit 3. Consider whether you can work part-time now to build up more credits The strategy Liam and Amara mentioned about claiming survivor benefits at 60 then potentially switching to your own benefit later (if higher) could be really valuable in your situation. Hang in there - you've got this! 💙

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! This is exactly what I needed to see everything laid out in one place. I'm definitely going to check my Social Security statement online this week - I should have done that months ago but honestly I was just overwhelmed by everything. The "claim one, switch later" strategy sounds really promising since I do have some work history. I appreciate everyone taking the time to help me understand my options. It's nice to know there are people out there who care about helping others navigate this confusing system!

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As someone who just went through this exact process with my Swedish wife last year, I can confirm that the agent you spoke with gave you completely incorrect information on both points! 1. The tax withholding: Yes, there's typically 30% withholding for non-US citizens, BUT Germany has a tax treaty with the US that should eliminate this. You'll need to file Form W-8BEN to claim the treaty benefits. We did this for Sweden and my wife pays no US taxes on her spousal benefits. 2. The residency requirement: This is 100% FALSE. There is absolutely no requirement for your wife to spend any time in the US to receive spousal benefits. We've been living in Stockholm for 8 years and my wife has never had to return to the US for her benefits. I'd strongly recommend calling the Office of International Operations directly rather than the general SSA line. The regular agents often have no clue about international cases, but the international specialists know exactly how these situations work. The misinformation you received is unfortunately very common - we went through three different agents before getting accurate information. Your wife should qualify for spousal benefits without any residency strings attached. Don't let bad information from an uninformed agent discourage you from pursuing what you're entitled to!

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Thanks for sharing your experience with the Swedish case! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who's actually been through this process successfully. The consistency of the misinformation is what's so alarming - multiple people here got told the exact same wrong things about residency requirements. Your point about the W-8BEN form is really helpful. Did you have to file that form annually, or was it a one-time thing? And when you contacted the Office of International Operations, were they able to handle everything over the phone or did you need to submit additional documentation by mail? It sounds like persistence really pays off with these international cases. I'm definitely going to follow your advice and go straight to the international specialists rather than wasting time with agents who clearly don't understand these situations. Thank you for the encouragement!

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation for my Canadian spouse and can confirm that the agent gave you completely wrong information! We've been living in Toronto for 7 years and my wife receives her spousal benefits with zero issues and no residency requirements whatsoever. The 30% withholding is standard for non-US citizens, but as others have mentioned, the US-Canada tax treaty eliminates this. We filed the W-8BEN form and now she receives her full benefits without any withholding. The process was straightforward once we got connected with someone who actually understood international cases. That "2 months in the US" requirement is absolute nonsense - I've never heard anything so ridiculous! My wife hasn't been to the US in over 3 years and her payments continue without interruption. It sounds like you got an agent who was either completely new or just making things up. Definitely call the Office of International Operations at the number Victoria provided. They sorted everything out for us in one phone call after we wasted weeks getting conflicting information from regular SSA agents. Don't let this bad experience discourage you - your wife is absolutely entitled to those benefits without jumping through imaginary hoops!

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This is so reassuring to hear from someone who's successfully navigating this with Canada! The consistency of the misinformation being given out is really troubling - it seems like multiple people are getting told the exact same false "residency requirement" story. Your experience with the W-8BEN eliminating the withholding is exactly what I needed to hear. Did you have to provide any additional documentation besides the form itself to prove the tax treaty benefits? And how long did it take for the withholding to stop once you submitted it? I'm definitely going to bypass the regular SSA line entirely and go straight to the Office of International Operations. It's clear that the general agents are either poorly trained on international cases or just guessing. Thank you for the encouragement - it's really helpful to know that this process can actually work smoothly once you get to the right people!

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