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To sum up what you need to know about your specific situation: 1. DRCs: You earn 8% per year in delayed credits from your FRA to age 70. This is calculated monthly (2/3% per month). These stop accumulating at age 70. 2. Retroactive benefits: At age 70, you can choose to receive up to 6 months of retroactive benefits, but this means your benefit amount would be calculated as if you filed 6 months earlier (losing those final DRCs). 3. CSRS impact: Your CSRS pension will trigger the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), which will reduce your Social Security benefit. The reduction depends on your years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security. 4. Filing decision: The choice between maximum DRCs vs. retroactive benefits is essentially: - Maximum monthly amount for life (filing at 70 with no retroactive) - Slightly lower monthly amount for life PLUS a lump sum payment (retroactive option) The math favors taking maximum DRCs if you expect to live past approximately age 82-83. Otherwise, the retroactive option might be better financially.
I'm a former SSA employee and wanted to add a few important points about your CSRS/SS situation. First, make sure when you do get through to SSA that you specifically ask them to calculate your "Primary Insurance Amount" (PIA) both before and after the WEP reduction - this will give you the clearest picture of your actual benefit amount. Also, since you mentioned having self-employment income, be aware that those SE earnings can count toward your "substantial earnings" years for WEP purposes, which could reduce the WEP penalty. The substantial earnings threshold changes each year, so make sure they're counting all your qualifying years correctly. One more tip: if you do decide to request retroactive benefits, make sure to ask for it IN WRITING when you file, not just verbally. I've seen too many cases where verbal requests got lost in the system. Document everything with dates and representative names when you finally get through to someone!
This is incredibly helpful advice from someone who actually worked at SSA! I definitely want to make sure I ask for the PIA calculation both ways. And you're absolutely right about documenting everything - I've already learned that lesson from trying to follow up on my January application. Quick question: when you say "substantial earnings" from self-employment, does that include the SE tax I pay, or just the net profit from Schedule C? I want to make sure I'm giving them the right numbers when I finally get through.
I'm so sorry for your sister's loss. Having just gone through this myself when my mom passed last year, I understand how overwhelming it can be during such a difficult time. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given is that your sister should consider requesting a "benefit estimate" from SSA that shows her projected monthly amounts for different scenarios. They can calculate: - Her current retirement benefit if taken now - Her retirement benefit if delayed to age 70 (with the 8% annual delayed retirement credits) - The survivor benefit amount This will give her the concrete numbers needed to make the best financial decision. In my mom's case, her own benefit with delayed credits would have eventually exceeded the survivor benefit, so we took the survivor benefit first and planned to switch at 70. Also, don't forget that she may be eligible for a one-time lump sum death benefit of $255 if she hasn't already applied for it. It's not much, but every bit helps with funeral expenses. The switching strategy really is legitimate - it's called "deemed filing" rules don't apply to widow(er)s, giving them unique flexibility that other beneficiaries don't have.
Thank you for mentioning the benefit estimate - that sounds like exactly what we need to get the actual numbers to compare. I didn't know about the $255 death benefit either, so I'll make sure she asks about that when she contacts SSA. It's reassuring to hear from someone who's been through this recently that the switching strategy really works. Your explanation about "deemed filing" rules not applying to widows helps clarify why she has these options. I really appreciate everyone's guidance during this difficult time.
My heart goes out to your sister during this incredibly difficult time. Losing a spouse is devastating, and having to navigate Social Security rules on top of grief is overwhelming. The advice here has been excellent, but I wanted to emphasize one crucial point: timing matters for the application. Even if your sister isn't sure which benefit to take, she should apply for survivor benefits as soon as possible. SSA can only provide retroactive survivor benefits for up to 6 months from the application date, so any delay could mean lost money. When she applies, she doesn't have to start receiving payments immediately - she can choose a later start date if that makes more sense for her strategy. But getting the application in protects her right to those retroactive benefits. Also, I'd suggest she bring someone with her to the SSA appointment (you, perhaps?) to take notes. When you're grieving, it's hard to process and remember complex financial information. Having a second set of ears can be invaluable. The fact that she's still working part-time might actually be helpful here - it gives her some financial cushion to make the optimal long-term decision rather than feeling pressured to take benefits immediately out of necessity.
Sean, I went through a very similar situation as a retired police officer with a non-SS pension and subsequent SS-covered employment. A few additional points that might help: 1. **Documentation is key** - When you contact SSA for your WEP calculation, bring documentation of your firefighter disability pension amount and start date. Sometimes there are discrepancies between what SSA has on file and your actual pension details. 2. **Consider your spouse's situation** - If you're married, remember that WEP only affects your own earned Social Security benefit, not spousal benefits. However, if your spouse will receive benefits based on your record, the Government Pension Offset (GPO) might come into play separately. 3. **Health insurance considerations** - Since you mentioned you're 63 now, factor in health insurance costs when deciding between filing at 64 vs waiting. Medicare doesn't start until 65, so you'll need coverage for that gap year if you retire early. 4. **State-specific resources** - Many states have retired firefighter associations that maintain resources about Social Security and pension interactions. They might have state-specific guidance or advocacy efforts you should know about. The $558/month estimate others calculated sounds about right given your situation. It's frustrating after paying into SS for 22 years, but at least you have substantial non-covered pension income to rely on. Best of luck with your decision!
Great additional points, Alejandro! The health insurance gap between retiring at 64 and Medicare eligibility at 65 is something I definitely need to factor into my decision. I hadn't fully considered those costs. Your point about documentation is well taken - I'll make sure to bring all my pension paperwork when I meet with SSA. And you're right about checking with firefighter associations; our state association actually has a benefits counselor who might have dealt with similar WEP situations. One question - you mentioned GPO potentially affecting spousal benefits. My wife has her own SS record from her career, so I assume GPO wouldn't apply to her own benefits, only if she were trying to claim spousal benefits based on my record, correct? The more I learn about this, the more I appreciate having these 22 years of SS-covered work. Even with WEP, at least I'll have some Social Security income to supplement the pensions. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm a benefits counselor and wanted to add some perspective on your timeline decision. Given your age (63) and the complexity of your situation, you might benefit from what we call a "delayed decision strategy." Since you're not yet 64, you have time to optimize your position. Consider: 1. **Work one more year in SS-covered employment** - If you can earn at least $29,700 in 2025 at an SS-covered job, you'd add a 23rd year of substantial earnings, reducing your WEP penalty by approximately $69/month. That's $828/year for life. 2. **File and suspend strategy** - While this was mostly eliminated, you can still file for benefits and then withdraw your application within 12 months if you change your mind (though you'd need to repay benefits received). 3. **Tax planning** - With your non-taxable disability pension, your Social Security benefits might be largely tax-free depending on your other income. This could make the reduced benefit more valuable than it appears on paper. The math everyone's provided is solid - you're looking at roughly $558/month at 64 vs $698/month at 67. But don't forget that waiting until 70 would give you delayed retirement credits on top of your WEP-adjusted benefit, potentially bringing you to around $870/month. One more year of covered work + waiting until 70 could potentially get you close to $950/month instead of $558 - that's a $391/month difference, or nearly $4,700 annually. Something to consider given your relatively good health.
This is exactly the kind of strategic thinking I needed to hear! The idea of working one more year in SS-covered employment to add that 23rd year is really appealing - $69/month for life is significant when you multiply it out over potentially 20+ years of retirement. I'm curious about the tax implications you mentioned. Since my firefighter disability pension is non-taxable and would likely be my largest income source, would that mean most or all of my Social Security benefits would escape federal taxation? That could make even the reduced benefit more valuable than I initially calculated. The delayed retirement credit scenario is eye-opening too. Going from $558/month at 64 to potentially $950/month at 70 with an additional year of substantial earnings - that's almost a 70% increase. Given that I'm in decent health despite my back injury, and I have the disability pension to support me, waiting might make more financial sense. Do you know if there are any restrictions on the type of SS-covered work that counts toward substantial earnings? Could I do consulting work or does it need to be traditional W-2 employment? I have skills from my firefighting career that might translate to safety consulting.
Just wanted to add another consideration that hasn't been mentioned - if you're planning to work part-time at $42k/year, make sure you understand how this might affect any pension benefits you might have from previous employers. Some pension plans have "return to work" provisions that could reduce pension payments if you work for a competitor or in the same industry, even after retirement age. Also, since you mentioned it's consulting work, keep detailed records of any business expenses you might have (home office, computer equipment, travel, etc.) as these could help offset some of the tax burden from your combined SS + consulting income. Self-employment expenses can be quite valuable for tax planning! One more thing - if your consulting arrangement allows it, consider asking about spreading payments across tax years or negotiating payment timing to help manage your tax brackets and potential IRMAA thresholds.
This is really helpful advice, especially about the pension considerations! I hadn't even thought about potential conflicts with my old employer's pension plan. I'll definitely need to dig into those terms before accepting the consulting offer. The tax planning suggestions are great too. Since this would be 1099 work, I should probably set aside money quarterly for taxes and look into legitimate business deductions. Do you know if there are any specific rules about home office deductions for part-time consulting work? I've heard the IRS is pretty strict about that. Also wondering - if I spread payments across tax years like you suggested, would that affect the automatic Social Security benefit recalculation timing that others mentioned?
Regarding your home office deduction question - yes, the IRS is strict about it, but if you're using a dedicated space exclusively for your consulting work, you should qualify. You can use either the simplified method ($5 per square foot up to 300 sq ft) or the actual expense method. Keep detailed records and photos of your workspace. As for spreading payments across tax years affecting SS benefit recalculation - that's a great question! The recalculation is based on when SSA receives your W-2/1099 forms, which report when income was EARNED, not necessarily when paid. So if you earn $42k in 2025 but receive some payments in 2026, SSA will still count it as 2025 earnings for benefit calculation purposes. However, for tax purposes (including SS taxation thresholds and IRMAA), it's based on when you actually receive the money. This timing difference could actually work in your favor - you might be able to manage your tax burden while still getting credit for the full year's earnings in your SS calculation. Definitely worth discussing with a tax professional who understands both employment tax timing and Social Security rules!
Keisha Taylor
One more important point regarding your situation: When you reach out to SSA, specifically ask about the "Disability Freeze" (also called an "Earnings Record Freeze"). This is different from converting from retirement to disability benefits. The disability freeze protects your earnings record by excluding periods of low earnings due to disability from your benefit calculation. Since your benefit amount is based on your lifetime earnings, this could potentially increase your monthly payment even though you're past FRA. To apply for a disability freeze, you'll need to complete form SSA-16 (Application for Disability Insurance Benefits) and provide medical evidence supporting that your disability began before you applied for early retirement. The key is proving your disability onset date was before your early retirement application.
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Miguel Alvarez
•Thank you! This is exactly the specific information I needed. I'll ask about the Disability Freeze using form SSA-16 and make sure to gather all my medical records from the VA. I appreciate you explaining this so clearly.
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Melody Miles
I'm so sorry you're going through this difficult situation. As a fellow community member who has dealt with Social Security issues, I want to add a few practical suggestions that might help: 1. **Document everything**: Before you contact SSA, gather all your medical records from 2020 and earlier that show your conditions were severe enough to prevent substantial work. Your VA C&P exam records will be particularly valuable. 2. **Consider getting help**: Given the complexity of your case and the potential financial impact, you might want to consult with a Social Security disability attorney or advocate. Many work on contingency, so they only get paid if they recover benefits for you. 3. **Don't give up**: While the 12-month window is generally firm, there can be exceptions for veterans, especially if you can demonstrate that your disabilities affected your ability to understand your options when you first applied. The difference between what you're getting now and what you might have received with SSDI could be substantial over your lifetime. Even if the disability freeze only removes part of the early retirement reduction, that could mean hundreds more per month. Keep pushing for answers - you've served our country and deserve every benefit you're entitled to. Wishing you the best of luck with this process!
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