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I'm so sorry for your loss, Ravi. Dealing with Social Security paperwork while grieving is incredibly difficult, but you're asking all the right questions. Yes, both your mother and stepmother can absolutely receive survivor benefits from your father's record. This is one of those situations where Social Security actually works in favor of families - multiple survivors can collect without reducing each other's benefits. Here's what you need to know: - Your mom qualifies as a divorced spouse (15-year marriage exceeds the 10-year minimum, and she never remarried) - Your stepmom qualifies as the surviving widow (married at time of death) - Both must apply separately using Form SSA-10 - Each will need: death certificate, their marriage certificate, and your mom will also need the divorce decree Important timing consideration: Your mom at 67 can get 100% of the survivor benefit, but your stepmom at 62 would only get about 81% if she claims now. If your stepmom can wait until her full retirement age (around 66-67), she'd get the full amount. Before applying, both should check their own benefit estimates on my.ssa.gov to make sure survivor benefits would actually be higher than their own retirement benefits. The process can be frustrating with phone wait times, but don't give up. Your father worked hard for these benefits, and both women are entitled to them. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.
Thank you, Mei. This has been really helpful. I think I have a much clearer picture now of what both my mom and stepmom need to do. The timing aspect seems really crucial - it sounds like my mom should definitely apply soon since she's already 67, but my stepmom might want to think carefully about whether she can afford to wait a few more years to get closer to that 100% benefit amount. That 19% difference between claiming at 62 vs full retirement age could really add up over time. I'm going to help both of them create those my.ssa.gov accounts this week to check their own benefits first, then we can move forward with the applications. Thanks for being so thorough and compassionate - it really means a lot during this difficult time.
I'm deeply sorry for your loss, Ravi. Losing a parent is never easy, and having to navigate Social Security benefits during such a difficult time adds extra stress to an already overwhelming situation. The great news is that both your mother and stepmother can absolutely receive survivor benefits from your father's record simultaneously. This is actually one of the more family-friendly aspects of Social Security - multiple qualified survivors can draw benefits without reducing what the others receive. Your situation breaks down like this: - Your mom qualifies for divorced spouse survivor benefits (married 15 years, which exceeds the 10-year requirement, and never remarried) - Your stepmother qualifies as the surviving widow (married to your father at the time of his death) Both will need to apply separately using Form SSA-10 and provide the necessary documentation: death certificate, their respective marriage certificates, and your mom will also need the divorce decree. One crucial point about timing: your mom at 67 can receive the full 100% survivor benefit, but your stepmother at 62 would only receive about 81% if she claims immediately. If your stepmother can afford to wait until closer to her full retirement age (66-67), she'd get significantly more. Before either applies, I'd strongly recommend they both check their own estimated benefits on my.ssa.gov to ensure the survivor benefits would actually be higher than their own retirement benefits - SSA pays whichever is higher, but not both. Your father earned these benefits through years of hard work, and both women are absolutely entitled to them. Take care of yourself during this process.
Thank you so much, Lucy. Your explanation really helps clarify everything. I feel like I finally understand the full picture now. The fact that both my mom and stepmom can receive benefits without affecting each other is such a relief - I was worried there might be some kind of conflict between their claims. The timing advice about my stepmom is really important. That 19% difference between claiming at 62 vs waiting until full retirement age could mean thousands of dollars over the years. I'll definitely discuss this with her - she might be able to wait a bit longer if her current financial situation allows it. I'm going to help both of them set up those my.ssa.gov accounts this weekend to check their own benefit estimates first. It's good to know that step should come before applying for survivor benefits. Thank you for the reminder that my father earned these benefits through his hard work. That perspective really helps during what's been a very difficult few weeks for our whole family. Your compassionate response means more than you know.
As someone who just went through this decision process last year, I'd echo what others have said about the tax planning being the most important factor. I was in a similar situation - retired at 63 with a pension and some investment income. I ended up starting my SS benefits in September, and it worked out well tax-wise. Here's what I learned: **Processing tip**: Apply about 3 months before you want benefits to start. I applied in June for September benefits and everything went smoothly. **Tax withholding**: Definitely submit Form W-4V with your application! I chose 12% withholding and it saved me from a big tax surprise. You can always adjust it later if needed. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: Since you have pension income, you might already be making quarterly payments. Factor your SS income into those calculations - your tax preparer can help estimate the impact. **One thing I wish I'd known**: Your Medicare premiums (when you turn 65) will be deducted from your SS benefits automatically. So if you're doing tax planning now, remember that your actual SS deposit will be reduced by those premiums starting at 65. The timing flexibility gives you some control over your tax situation, which is one of the few advantages of claiming early. Sounds like you're thinking about it the right way!
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your real-world experience! I hadn't thought about the Medicare premium deduction impact at 65, that's definitely something to factor into long-term planning. The 3-month application timeline is also good to know. I'm leaning toward applying in July/August for October/November benefits based on all the advice here. The tax withholding form seems like a must-do to avoid surprises. Did you find the online application process straightforward, or did you end up needing to call or visit an office?
As a newcomer to this community, I'm finding this discussion incredibly valuable! I'm 62 and considering early retirement next year, so the timing strategies you're all discussing are exactly what I need to understand. One question I haven't seen addressed yet: if you delay starting SS until later in the year for tax planning purposes, are you essentially "losing" those months of benefits permanently? Or is it more about shifting the timing to optimize your overall financial picture? Also, for those who've gone through this process - did you work with a financial planner who specializes in Social Security timing, or were you able to figure out the optimal strategy on your own? The tax implications seem pretty complex when you factor in pensions, 401k withdrawals, and other retirement income sources. Thanks to everyone sharing their real experiences - it's so much more helpful than the generic advice you find on most websites!
my neighbor said she filed early for ss and then withdrew her application when she found out about the reduction. I think u have like a year to change ur mind? might be worth looking into
I'm SHOCKED no one has mentioned the break-even calculation yet!! For a $19 reduction, you'd need to calculate how many months it would take for the extra money from claiming early to equal the reduced amount over time. It's usually around 12-15 years for people claiming a year early, so for one month early it might be longer. But you NEED to calculate this based on your specific situation!
Good point about the break-even analysis. For a one-month early claim, if we assume a $1,500 monthly benefit (just as an example), the break-even point would be quite far out - approximately 79 months or 6.5 years. That's because you'd get an extra month of benefits ($1,481) upfront, but then lose $19 every month thereafter. $1,481 ÷ $19 = 78.9 months to break even. Of course, this doesn't account for the time value of money or potential investment returns.
Based on your situation, filing now appears to be a sound decision. The calculation your financial advisor provided is accurate - the breakeven period of 17 years for those 4 months of delay is quite long, especially considering the survivor benefit would replace your retirement benefit when your husband passes. One clarification regarding work: at your age (past FRA), there is no earnings limit at all. You could work full-time earning any amount with no reduction in benefits. The earnings limit only applies before FRA. For a complete analysis, you might also want to consider: 1. Tax implications - additional income could potentially push you into a higher tax bracket 2. Medicare premiums - higher income can affect IRMAA surcharges with a 2-year lag But in most cases, these factors wouldn't outweigh the benefit of claiming now rather than waiting those additional 4 months.
Thank you for that clarification about the earnings limit! I was aware there was no limit after FRA but since I'm technically 3 months before my FRA, I thought the limit still applied. That's good to know. Great point about the tax implications too. We're managing our withdrawals from retirement accounts to stay in a lower tax bracket, so I'll need to factor this income in. Looks like I have some calculations to do, but I'm definitely leaning toward filing now.
I went through this same decision process about 18 months ago! My situation was very similar - I was 67 with a husband already collecting his higher benefit, and I was torn between taking mine early or waiting for FRA. After running the numbers with three different sources (SSA calculator, AARP calculator, and a fee-only financial planner), they all pointed to the same conclusion your advisor gave you. The math is pretty straightforward when there's a significant survivor benefit waiting in the wings. What really helped me make the decision was realizing that Social Security isn't just about maximizing the total payout - it's about having reliable income when you need it. Those monthly payments started covering our grocery bills and gave us breathing room in our budget immediately. One practical tip: when you file, ask about having taxes withheld if you think you'll owe. You can choose 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22% withholding. It's easier than making quarterly estimated payments later. Also, if you haven't already, set up a my Social Security account online - makes tracking everything much simpler. You're making a smart, well-researched decision. Don't let decision paralysis cost you those monthly payments!
This is so helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same decision! I really appreciate you sharing the practical details too - I hadn't thought about the tax withholding option but that makes total sense. We usually end up owing a bit each year so having it automatically taken out would be much easier than quarterly payments. I already have the my Social Security account set up (been obsessively checking my estimates for months!), so that part is ready to go. You're absolutely right about decision paralysis - I think I've been overthinking this because it feels like such a big, permanent choice. But everyone's responses here have really confirmed what my gut was telling me. Thank you for the encouragement! I'm going to file this week.
Amina Diallo
Grace, you're definitely not too late! I went through this exact same situation two years ago - also missed applying right at my FRA due to holiday chaos. The 6-month retroactive window that others mentioned is absolutely correct. I applied in February for January benefits and received my full January payment in March along with my February payment. The key is to apply online at ssa.gov as soon as possible and clearly specify January 2025 as your desired benefit start date. There's a specific question about this during the application process. Don't worry about the phone wait times - the online application is actually faster and you can save your progress if needed. You've got this!
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Jenna Sloan
•Thank you Amina! This is exactly what I needed to hear from someone who went through the same thing. It's so reassuring to know you got your full January payment even though you applied later. I'm heading to ssa.gov right now to get my application started. Really appreciate everyone's helpful advice in this thread!
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Omar Farouk
As someone who works with seniors on benefits applications, I want to emphasize what others have said - you're absolutely fine! The 6-month retroactive window is standard policy, and mid-January is still very early. When you apply online at ssa.gov, there's a clear section where you select your desired benefit start date - just choose January 2025. One tip: have your tax returns from the last 2 years handy when you apply, as the system may ask about your earnings history. Also, once you submit the application, you'll get a receipt number - save that! It helps if you need to call later with questions. The whole process usually takes about 30-45 minutes online and is much more reliable than trying to get through on the phone right now.
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Evelyn Kim
•This is really helpful Omar! I'm new to all this and wasn't sure what documents I'd need. Having my tax returns ready will definitely speed things up. Quick question - when you mention the receipt number, is that something that gets emailed to me right away after I submit? I want to make sure I don't miss it since I know how important it is to keep track of these things with government applications.
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