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As a newcomer to this community, I'm absolutely stunned by this discussion! I'm 69 and have been working part-time consulting while putting off my Social Security application because I thought I was being financially responsible by not "taking" benefits while still earning income. Reading through everyone's experiences here - especially hearing from the retired SSA employee who confirmed the 70 cutoff rule - has been a complete game-changer for my understanding. I had no idea that delayed retirement credits stop at 70 or about the 6-month retroactive limit. Like so many others here, I genuinely believed the benefits would keep growing as long as I waited, similar to how they increase from full retirement age to 70. This thread has potentially saved me from a very expensive mistake! It's remarkable how many newcomers to this community are all discovering the same critical information. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences and expertise!

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Welcome to the community, Liv! I'm also brand new here and this entire thread has been absolutely mind-blowing for me. I'm 67 and was in the exact same mindset - thinking I was being responsible by waiting to apply since I'm still working and don't immediately need the money. It's incredible how many of us newcomers have all been operating under this same costly misconception! The fact that we have someone who actually worked at SSA confirming all these details really validates what everyone is saying. I keep thinking about how this critical information isn't more prominently featured in SSA communications - it seems like such an important detail that could save people thousands of dollars. This community is already proving to be an invaluable resource for getting the practical insights that somehow get lost in all the official documentation. Thank you for sharing your story - it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one who was completely unaware of these rules!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful for this discussion! I'm 68 and was planning to wait until I fully retire at 71 to apply for Social Security, thinking it would be smarter to let the benefits keep growing. Reading through everyone's experiences here - especially the confirmation from the retired SSA employee about the age 70 cutoff - has been a complete revelation. I had no idea that delayed retirement credits stop at 70 or that there's only a 6-month retroactive window. Like so many others who've commented, I genuinely thought you applied when you were "ready" to stop working, not based on these critical age milestones. It's alarming how many people seem to fall into this same expensive trap! This community is already proving invaluable for getting real-world insights that aren't clearly communicated in official sources. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and potentially saving me from a very costly mistake - I'll be applying right away!

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Welcome to the community, Zoe! I'm also new here and this entire discussion has been absolutely life-changing for my understanding of Social Security. I'm 70 and, embarrassingly, just like the original poster, I've been delaying my application thinking I was being smart by waiting until I "really" needed the money. Reading through all these stories - especially from people who lost thousands by making the same mistake, and having it all confirmed by someone who actually worked at SSA - has been such a wake-up call. It's incredible how many of us newcomers have all been operating under the exact same misconception! I keep wondering how this crucial information isn't plastered all over SSA's website and mailings. The consistency of everyone's experiences really drives home that this isn't just a few isolated cases - it's a widespread misunderstanding that's costing people serious money. I'm so thankful for communities like this where real people share practical knowledge that can literally save thousands of dollars. I'll definitely be applying immediately now that I understand the true rules!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm finding this thread incredibly valuable! I'm 64 and currently receiving SSDI after a back injury two years ago. My situation is a bit different - I'm unmarried and don't have survivor benefits to consider, but I'm also working part-time (carefully staying under the SGA limit after reading these comments!). What I'm wondering is: since my disability will automatically convert to retirement benefits at my FRA (67), should I be doing anything now to prepare for that transition? Will the amount stay exactly the same, or could there be changes? Also, for those who mentioned the Trial Work Period - does SSA track those months automatically, or do I need to keep my own records? I've been reporting my earnings through their app, but I want to make sure I'm not accidentally using up TWP months without realizing it. The advice about requesting a Technical Expert appointment is gold - I've been getting the runaround from regular representatives too. Thank you all for sharing your experiences and expertise!

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Welcome to the community! Your situation sounds very manageable since you don't have the added complexity of survivor benefits to navigate. Regarding your disability-to-retirement conversion at 67, the amount should stay exactly the same - it's really just a label change from "disability" to "retirement" benefits. As for Trial Work Period months, SSA does track these automatically based on your reported earnings, but I'd strongly recommend keeping your own records as a backup. A TWP month is triggered when you earn over a certain threshold (around $1,050 for 2025, much lower than the SGA limit). Since you're being careful to stay under SGA, you're in good shape, but definitely ask about your TWP status when you meet with that Technical Expert. One thing to consider: if you're currently 64 and will reach FRA at 67, you have time to plan. You might want to explore whether your retirement benefit would be higher if you waited until age 70 - those delayed retirement credits can add up significantly. The Technical Expert can run those projections for you. Great job staying informed and asking the right questions!

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As someone who's also new to navigating Social Security complexities, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly informative discussion! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - 63 years old, receiving SSDI for the past two years due to chronic health issues, and also receiving reduced survivor benefits from my late spouse. Reading through all these responses has been eye-opening, especially learning about the importance of requesting a Technical Expert rather than just any representative. I had no idea that SSA won't automatically give you the highest benefit - that's crucial information! I'm particularly concerned about the work income limits after seeing the discussion about SGA. I've been doing some freelance work to supplement my benefits, and now I'm worried I might be close to that $1,550 threshold. The advice about Trial Work Period months is something I definitely need to look into. One question for the community: has anyone had success getting clear information about their TWP status during a phone call, or is this something that really requires an in-person appointment? Also, for those who've worked with Technical Experts, how far in advance do you typically need to schedule those appointments? My local office has been just as backed up as the original poster mentioned. Thanks again to everyone sharing their experiences - this community is a lifesaver for those of us trying to make sense of this complex system!

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Welcome to the community, Lucy! Your situation sounds very similar to what several of us are navigating. Regarding your TWP status question, I've found that phone representatives can usually tell you how many TWP months you've used, but getting detailed explanations about how it affects your benefits timeline is definitely better done in person with a Technical Expert. For appointment scheduling, I've had better luck calling first thing in the morning (8 AM when they open) or trying multiple offices in your region as @6d31d8f0f4bb suggested. Some offices have cancellation lists you can get on for earlier appointments. Your concern about freelance work is valid - definitely track those earnings carefully! The TWP threshold for 2025 is much lower than the SGA limit (around $1,050 vs $1,550), so you might be using TWP months even if you're under SGA. I'd recommend creating a simple monthly log of your freelance income to bring to your Technical Expert appointment. Also, since you have both SSDI and survivor benefits like the original poster, make sure to ask about the comparative analysis between your own retirement benefits at 70 versus maximizing survivor benefits. The strategies discussed here about taking the lower benefit early while letting the higher one grow could really apply to your situation too. Hang in there - we're all learning together!

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Since your friend's husband hadn't started benefits yet, she should definitely understand the "deemed filing" rules don't apply to survivor benefits. This means she could potentially take reduced survivor benefits now at 62 and then switch to her own retirement benefit at 70 if it would be higher (or vice versa - take her reduced retirement now and switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age). This is one of the few remaining ways to use a "claim now, claim more later" strategy since the 2015 rule changes. The chart should help explain this, but it might be worth her consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security to run the numbers for her specific situation.

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Wait WHAT?? You can still do that with survivor benefits?? I thought they eliminated ALL the switching strategies with that 2015 law! So you're saying if my husband dies (God forbid) I could take survivor benefits at 60 and then switch to my own at 70?? Why don't they make this clear on the SSA website???

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Yes, that's correct. The 2015 Bipartisan Budget Act eliminated most of the "claim now, claim more later" strategies for retirement and spousal benefits, but it specifically exempted survivor benefits. This is one reason why the flowchart is so helpful - it clarifies which rules apply to which benefits. The SSA website explains this, but it's buried in technical language most people don't understand.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a widow myself (lost my husband 18 months ago) and I wish I had found that flowchart back then. I made some mistakes early on because I didn't understand all my options. Just wanted to add a few things that might help your friend: 1. She should definitely apply for the $255 death benefit if she hasn't already - it's a one-time payment but every bit helps during this difficult time. 2. If she's working, there are earnings limits that could affect her survivor benefits before her full retirement age (but NOT after FRA). 3. The Social Security office will want to see the death certificate, so make sure she has certified copies. 4. Don't let anyone pressure her into making quick decisions about when to claim - she has time to figure out the best strategy for her situation. The grief makes everything so much harder to process, so having visual aids like that flowchart really does help. Sending good thoughts to your friend during this tough time.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience and these practical tips! I'm so sorry for your loss. You're absolutely right about not rushing decisions - my friend is still in that overwhelming stage where everything feels urgent but she really does have time to make the best choice for her situation. I'll definitely make sure she knows about the earnings limits since she's still working part-time. The reminder about getting certified copies of the death certificate is really helpful too. I'll pass along all of this information to her. It's so valuable hearing from someone who has been through this process.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Hannah. Losing your husband so young and having to navigate these complex Social Security rules while grieving is incredibly challenging. Everyone here has given you solid advice about the earnings test - with your $53K income, you'd definitely lose most of your widow benefit if you claim at 62. The 2025 earnings limit is around $23,040, so you'd be looking at losing about $15,000 in benefits annually. One thing I want to emphasize that others have touched on: your husband's benefit at 69 is significantly higher than what it would have been at his FRA of 66. Those delayed retirement credits from 66-69 add up to about 24% extra - that's a substantial amount that you don't want to leave on the table. Here's something practical that might help: before making any decisions, try to get a Social Security statement for both you and your husband (you'll need his death certificate and your marriage certificate). This will show you exactly what his benefit was worth at 69 and what yours would be at different claiming ages. Having those real numbers makes the decision much clearer. Given your situation, waiting until 67 to claim the widow benefit seems like the smartest financial move, even though I know waiting 5 years feels daunting right now. You can keep working without penalty and get 100% of what your husband earned with his delayed credits. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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Thank you so much, Liam. Your breakdown really helps clarify the financial impact - seeing that $15,000 annual loss to the earnings test really drives home why waiting makes sense. I'm definitely going to gather those Social Security statements this week with the death certificate and marriage certificate. Having the actual dollar amounts will make this decision much easier than trying to guess. The 24% increase from the delayed retirement credits is significant enough that it's worth waiting for, even though 5 years feels like forever right now. I really appreciate everyone in this community taking the time to help me understand these complex rules during such a difficult time.

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Hannah, I'm deeply sorry for your loss. Losing your spouse at such a young age while navigating these complex benefit rules is truly overwhelming. Based on what you've shared, I want to reinforce what others have said about your husband's benefit amount - since he passed at 69, you'd receive what he would have gotten with ALL his delayed retirement credits from age 66-69. That's roughly 32% more than his full retirement age benefit (8% per year for 3 years plus the 8% he would have earned from 69-70). This is a significant amount that makes the waiting strategy even more worthwhile. However, with your $53K income, you're correct that the earnings test would be brutal. You'd lose about $1 for every $2 over the ~$23K limit, which could wipe out most of your benefit. One strategy to consider: you mentioned you're 62 now and your FRA is 67. Could you potentially reduce your work hours or income as you get closer to 67? Even dropping below the earnings limit for just the final year or two before your FRA could allow you to claim some benefits while still avoiding the full impact. But honestly, given the substantial amount you'd receive at 67 with no earnings test, waiting seems like the most financially sound approach. Just make sure to get those exact benefit calculations from SSA so you can see the real dollar impact of your decision. You're handling an incredibly difficult situation with great thoughtfulness.

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As someone new to this community, I just wanted to say how helpful this discussion has been! I'm approaching retirement myself and had no idea about the monthly vs annual earnings test distinction for the first year. The advice about formally notifying SSA about mid-year retirement seems crucial - I'll definitely keep that in mind when my time comes. It's frustrating that such an important rule isn't more widely known or automatically applied. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge here!

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Welcome to the community! I'm also relatively new here but have found this to be such a valuable resource for navigating Social Security complexities. You're absolutely right about how confusing these rules can be - I had never heard of the monthly earnings test before this discussion either. It really does seem like SSA should make these important distinctions clearer upfront rather than leaving people to discover them through trial and error (or helpful communities like this one). The experiences shared here about documentation and the importance of proactive communication with SSA are definitely eye-opening for anyone planning retirement timing.

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As another newcomer to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for such a thorough discussion! This thread perfectly illustrates why having access to real experiences is so valuable. The distinction between the monthly and annual earnings tests for first-year retirees is something I would never have known to ask about, yet it could make a huge financial difference. @Scarlett Forster, your situation with the mid-year retirement due to health issues really resonates - it's reassuring to see how the community rallied with practical advice and personal experiences. The emphasis on proactive communication with SSA seems to be a recurring theme that all of us planning for retirement should take to heart!

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@Hannah White Absolutely agree! As someone also new to navigating Social Security, this discussion has been incredibly enlightening. What strikes me most is how these seemingly obscure rules can have major financial impacts - the difference between the monthly and annual earnings tests could literally save someone thousands in overpayment situations. It really highlights the importance of communities like this where people share real-world experiences rather than just trying to decipher the official SSA publications which (can be pretty dense! .)@Scarlett Forster s proactive'approach to documenting everything and seeking clarification seems like the smart way to handle these transitions. Thanks to everyone for making this such a welcoming and informative space!

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