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To address your follow-up question about wording for a written statement: Keep it simple and factual. Something like: "I am applying for survivor benefits on January 8, 2024. I understand these benefits are currently reduced due to the Government Pension Offset (GPO). I am requesting that if legislation is enacted that modifies or repeals the GPO during the period covered by my retroactive benefits, that my benefits be recalculated accordingly. I would like this statement to be included as part of my application record." Sign and date it, and ask for a copy with a receipt stamp. This won't guarantee anything, but it creates a record of your request that could be helpful depending on how any future legislation is worded.

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This is perfect! Thank you so much for the specific wording. I'll prepare this statement and bring it with me to my next appointment. At least this way I'll have documentation of my request in case the legislation does pass with retroactive provisions.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation as a new federal retiree with CSRS pension. What I learned from my research is that you should also ask about the "deemed filing" rules when you meet with SSA. Since you're already past full retirement age, there might be specific timing considerations for when your survivor benefit election becomes effective versus your own retirement benefit. Also, regarding the retroactive question - I spoke with a SSA technical expert who mentioned that even if WEP/GPO is repealed, there could be a separate application process for retroactive adjustments. They suggested keeping detailed records of all your current benefit calculations and dates, including the exact GPO reduction amounts, because you might need this information later if you have to file for recalculation. One more tip: if you haven't already, request a copy of your complete earnings record and your husband's earnings record. Sometimes there are errors that can affect both WEP and survivor benefit calculations, and it's easier to fix these before your benefits are finalized.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my uncle passed away in September. The key thing that helped me was calling SSA's automated phone system outside of peak hours - I had success calling around 7 PM on a weekday evening. The automated system can actually handle simple benefit inquiries and death notifications without needing to speak to a live person initially. When you do speak with someone, make sure to ask them to note in your father's file that you've reported the posthumous payment and are awaiting instructions for return. This creates a paper trail showing you were proactive about reporting it, which protects you if there are any delays in the return process. Also, ask the bank to place a hold or note on that specific deposit so it doesn't accidentally get mixed in with other account activity. Most banks are familiar with this situation and can flag SSA deposits separately until they receive return authorization. The whole thing took about 3 weeks for me, but having that documentation helped avoid any complications. You're handling this the right way by addressing it quickly.

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Thank you so much for the tip about calling in the evening, Simon! I hadn't thought about using off-peak hours to get through easier. That's really smart advice about asking them to note everything in my father's file too - creating that paper trail makes a lot of sense for protection. I'll definitely ask the bank to put a hold on that specific deposit when I call them. It sounds like you really thought through all the angles when you dealt with this situation. I feel much better prepared now thanks to everyone's advice here.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Chloe. I went through this exact situation when my mother passed away two years ago. The most important thing is to call SSA immediately - don't wait for them to figure it out on their own. When my mom died, I made the mistake of assuming they would automatically handle it, and it created a much bigger headache months later when they discovered the overpayment during an audit. Here's what worked for me: Call the SSA number (1-800-772-1213) first thing in the morning around 8 AM when wait times are shorter. Tell them you need to report a "posthumous benefit payment" that needs to be returned. Have your father's SSN, death date, and bank account info ready. They'll send authorization directly to the bank to return the funds. The key is getting everything documented - write down the representative's name and any reference numbers they give you. This protects you from any future complications. The whole process usually takes 1-2 weeks once you make that initial call. You're being smart by addressing this proactively rather than ignoring it.

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This is such a great question and the responses here are really comprehensive! I'm in a similar situation - turning 62 next year and considering early retirement but worried about making the wrong financial decision. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is how this strategy might work differently depending on your career field. I'm in tech where salaries have grown significantly over the past decade, so even a few years of higher earnings could potentially replace some much lower-earning years from the 1980s and 1990s in my calculation. Has anyone here specifically calculated how much their PIA increased per year of higher earnings? I'm trying to figure out if the potential benefit increase would justify dealing with the earnings test complexity, especially since I'd probably want to work remotely which might limit my earning potential compared to returning to a full corporate role.

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That's a really smart way to think about it! The career field definitely matters a lot. I'm also in tech and went through a similar calculation when I was considering this path. What I found is that if your recent years are significantly higher than your early career years (which is common in tech), even just 3-4 years of good earnings can make a meaningful difference. The PIA increase depends on how much those new high years replace your lowest years in the top 35. I used the SSA's online calculator to run different scenarios - you can plug in hypothetical future earnings to see how it would affect your benefit. One thing to consider with remote work is that you might actually have more flexibility to optimize your earnings timing around the annual earnings limit, since you could potentially control project timing or consulting income more easily than with a traditional W-2 role.

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This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who's been agonizing over this same decision, I really appreciate all the detailed explanations about the earnings test, PIA recalculations, and delayed retirement credits. One additional consideration I'd add is the psychological aspect - I've talked to several people who took early retirement and then returned to work, and many said the biggest benefit wasn't necessarily the increased Social Security payment, but rather having the security of knowing they already had that base income locked in. It gave them more flexibility to be selective about work opportunities and negotiate better terms since they weren't desperate for income. For those considering this path, you might also want to factor in the potential healthcare savings if you can get employer coverage again - that alone could be worth thousands per year even if your SS benefit increase is modest. Just make sure you understand all the rules before making any moves, and consider consulting with a financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies to run the numbers for your specific situation.

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This is such a valuable perspective, thank you! The psychological security aspect is something I hadn't fully considered but makes total sense. Having that guaranteed baseline income would definitely change the whole dynamic of job searching and negotiating. I'm curious about the healthcare piece you mentioned - for someone who takes early retirement at 62, works for a few years with employer coverage, then retires again before 65, what happens during that gap before Medicare kicks in? Would you be back to buying individual coverage on the marketplace, or are there other options like COBRA? The healthcare costs during those transition periods could definitely impact whether this strategy makes financial sense overall.

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This thread has been so helpful! I'm about to start receiving my benefits next month and had no idea about all these potential automatic deductions and enrollments. Reading about the Medicare Part D auto-enrollment, automatic tax withholding, and the delayed appearance of the Payment History link has given me a much better idea of what to expect. I'm definitely going to bookmark this conversation and check both my MySocialSecurity account AND Medicare.gov account carefully after my first payment hits. It's really unfortunate that SSA doesn't provide a clear "what to expect with your first payment" guide that covers all these possibilities upfront. Thank you all for sharing your real experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical information that new beneficiaries need but can't seem to find in official resources!

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I'm in the exact same boat as you - starting benefits next month and feeling overwhelmed by all the potential surprises! This thread has been invaluable. I had no clue about the Medicare Part D auto-enrollment possibility or that they could start tax withholding without me requesting it. I'm definitely going to save screenshots of my award letter and then compare everything line by line when my first payment comes in. It sounds like the key is to check THREE places: MySocialSecurity for the payment breakdown, Medicare.gov for any surprise Part D enrollments, and your bank account for the actual deposit timing. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - you've probably saved me hours of confusion and frustration!

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This is such a valuable thread for anyone starting Social Security benefits! I wish I had found something like this before my first payment. One additional tip that might help future readers: if you're still missing a significant portion of your expected benefit after accounting for Medicare parts B and D, and tax withholding, check if you have any outstanding student loans. I discovered that my old federal student loan was being garnished at 15% of my Social Security benefits, which I had completely forgotten about. The garnishment doesn't always show up immediately in the MySocialSecurity payment breakdown either - it took almost two months to appear there. Also worth checking: any unpaid federal taxes, child support obligations, or alimony payments that might be subject to automatic garnishment. The Department of Education and Treasury can both garnish Social Security benefits for various debts, and they're not always great about advance notice.

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Wow, thanks for bringing up the student loan garnishment issue! That's something I never would have thought to check. I'm new to this community and just starting to research what to expect when I apply for benefits later this year. The fact that old federal student loans can be garnished from Social Security payments is definitely something I need to look into - I have some loans from grad school that I honestly haven't thought about in years. It's really concerning that these garnishments might not show up immediately in the payment breakdown either. This whole thread has opened my eyes to how many different places your benefits can get reduced without clear upfront communication. Between Medicare auto-enrollments, automatic tax withholding, and now potential loan garnishments, it seems like you really need to be a detective to understand your actual payment amount. Thank you for adding this crucial information - I'm sure it will help other newcomers like me prepare better!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation where my wife is considering delaying her benefits to maximize delayed retirement credits. After reading all these responses, I now understand that I should file for spousal benefits as soon as she files (even if she suspends her payments to continue earning credits), since my spousal benefit won't increase beyond the 50% of her FRA amount regardless. One question I haven't seen addressed - when filing for spousal benefits, does the SSA automatically compare your own retirement benefit to the spousal benefit and give you whichever is higher? Or do you need to specifically request that comparison? I want to make sure I don't accidentally leave money on the table by not asking for the right thing during my appointment. Also, thanks to everyone who mentioned Claimyr - I've been dreading trying to get through to SSA but that sounds like it could save a lot of headaches!

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SSA will automatically compare your own retirement benefit to the spousal benefit and pay you whichever combination gives you the higher total amount. You don't need to specifically request this comparison - it's built into their system. If your own benefit is higher than 50% of your wife's PIA, you'll just get your own benefit. If the spousal benefit would be higher, they'll pay your own benefit first, then add the "excess spousal benefit" to bring you up to that 50% level. So you don't have to worry about asking for the "right thing" - just apply for benefits and they'll calculate what gives you the most money automatically!

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This has been such an informative discussion! I'm dealing with a very similar situation and had the same confusion about delayed retirement credits and spousal benefits. It's really helpful to see it confirmed multiple times that spousal benefits are capped at 50% of the PIA at FRA, regardless of any delayed credits the worker earns. One thing I wanted to add that might be useful - when you have your appointment in March, make sure to ask about the "deemed filing" rules. Since your husband is past his FRA, he should be able to file just for spousal benefits without being forced to also file for his own retirement benefit (if his own benefit is lower). This gives you more flexibility in your claiming strategy. Also, I second what others have said about bringing documentation to your appointment. In addition to the marriage certificate, having recent earnings statements or tax returns can help if there are any questions about work history or current employment status. Good luck with your appointment! It sounds like you're making smart decisions by maximizing those delayed retirement credits while getting the spousal benefits started.

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