Welcome to the community, Andre! Your experience as a librarian approaching FRA next year sounds very similar to what many of us have navigated. This thread has been such an incredible resource - I'm also new here and can't believe how much clarity everyone has provided! Like you, I was finding contradictory information everywhere and getting increasingly anxious about the rules. The consistent message from all the members who are actually living this reality is so reassuring: absolutely NO earnings limit after FRA that would affect your Social Security benefits. It's amazing how many of us have been unnecessarily limiting our work hours out of fear! I've been doing the same thing with my part-time work. Reading about people like James (3 years of successful experience), Ravi, Fatima, and others who've been working while collecting full benefits really gives me confidence about my own plans. Your library job sounds like it would be a perfect complement to Social Security benefits - the flexibility to take on extra shifts when you want them without worrying about hitting some earnings threshold will be such a relief! Thanks for sharing your situation and adding to this amazing discussion.

As someone who's 62 and just starting to plan for my FRA in a few years, this entire thread has been absolutely incredible! I can't believe how much valuable information everyone has shared from their real-world experiences. Like so many others here, I've been completely confused by all the conflicting information online about Social Security earnings limits. I work part-time as a medical transcriptionist and have been worried sick about whether I'd be able to continue working after claiming benefits. Reading through all of your consistent experiences has finally given me the clarity and peace of mind I desperately needed! The message couldn't be clearer: once you reach your Full Retirement Age, there is absolutely NO earnings limit that will reduce your Social Security benefits - you can work as much or as little as you want! It's amazing (and honestly a bit frustrating) how many of us have been unnecessarily stressing and limiting our work opportunities because of fear and misinformation. I've actually been declining extra transcription projects thinking I'd need to be super careful about my earnings even after FRA. Now I understand that's only a concern BEFORE reaching FRA. Thank you especially to members like James Johnson, Ravi, Fatima, and others who've shared years of successful experience working while collecting full benefits. Your stories are worth their weight in gold! This community has provided more useful, practical information than months of trying to decipher government websites. I'm so grateful to have found this resource before reaching my claiming decision point!

I'm so sorry for your friend's loss. Losing a spouse after nearly two decades together is devastating, and you're being such a caring friend by helping her navigate these complex benefit rules while she's grieving. Everyone here has provided excellent guidance about how the GPO will affect her survivor benefits. I wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - she should ask SSA about whether any portion of her teacher's pension might be exempt from the GPO calculation. Sometimes if teachers paid into Social Security for certain periods during their career (like summer jobs or substitute teaching in districts covered by SS), portions of their pension might not count toward the GPO reduction. Also, when she goes to her SSA appointment, she should bring documentation of her monthly pension amount. They'll need the gross amount before any deductions for taxes, health insurance, etc. Having that official documentation will ensure they calculate her GPO reduction accurately. The emotional toll of handling all these financial details while grieving can't be understated. Please make sure she knows it's okay to ask the SSA representative to slow down or repeat information during her appointment. Many people find it helpful to bring a trusted friend (like you!) to important appointments during the early stages of grief to help listen and take notes. Your friend is fortunate to have someone like you advocating for her during this incredibly difficult time.

I'm so deeply sorry for your friend's loss. Losing a spouse is one of life's most difficult experiences, and you're being such a wonderful friend by helping her navigate these complex benefit rules during her grief. Reading through all the excellent advice here, it sounds like you now have a clear understanding of how the GPO will affect her survivor benefits. One additional resource that might be helpful is contacting the National Education Association (NEA) or her local teachers' union if she was a member. Many teacher unions have benefits counselors who specialize in these exact GPO situations and can provide free guidance to retired members and their survivors. Also, since she's in Illinois, she might want to check if the state has any programs to help offset the impact of federal benefit reductions. Some states have created supplemental programs specifically to help retired teachers who are affected by WEP or GPO. The financial security from combining her $2,700 teacher pension with the estimated $1,400 in survivor benefits will provide stability during this transition, even though it's less than she hoped for. Most importantly, please remind her that this process doesn't have to be rushed - she can take time to grieve while still protecting her financial interests. You're truly being a blessing to her during this incredibly difficult time. The practical support and advocacy you're providing is invaluable when someone is trying to process both grief and complex financial decisions.

I'm so sorry for your sister's loss and what she's going through during this incredibly difficult time. Reading through this entire thread has been eye-opening as someone new to this community - the level of knowledge and support here is truly remarkable! Based on everything that's been shared, it sounds like your sister has a very strong case for her Difficulty of Care payments NOT counting toward the Social Security earnings test. The consensus from everyone's experiences seems clear: these payments under IRC Section 131 are specifically excluded from earnings calculations for survivor benefits. I wanted to add one suggestion that might help streamline the process - when your sister submits her formal earnings determination request (which sounds like the best approach based on everyone's advice), she might consider also requesting a case conference or supervisor review at the same time. Sometimes having a more experienced SSA representative handle complex cases involving multiple benefit programs can prevent the inconsistent answers that others have mentioned experiencing. Also, given that she's been receiving these payments for several years before her husband's passing, she has the advantage of established documentation showing this is legitimate ongoing care rather than something new that might raise questions. The fact that she has you advocating for her makes such a difference. These systems are overwhelming under the best of circumstances, let alone while grieving. This community has provided incredible guidance, and I'm confident she'll get the proper documentation she needs to have peace of mind moving forward.

I'm so sorry for your sister's loss - losing a spouse while caring for a disabled adult child must be incredibly overwhelming. This thread has been incredibly informative and shows what an amazing support system this community provides! As someone new here, I wanted to add that your sister might also benefit from documenting her caregiving arrangement with photos or videos (with appropriate privacy considerations for her son) showing the home environment and care activities. While this isn't required for the earnings determination, some families have found it helpful to have visual documentation of the caregiving situation if questions ever arise about the legitimacy of the Difficulty of Care payments. Also, since she's been providing this care for several years, she might want to gather any medical records or care plans from her son's healthcare providers that document his ongoing need for this level of assistance. Having medical professionals' assessments that support the necessity of her caregiving role can provide additional validation if needed. The advice everyone has given about the formal earnings determination process sounds like exactly the right approach. It's clear from all the responses that these Medicaid Difficulty of Care payments should NOT count toward the Social Security earnings test, and getting that officially documented will give her the peace of mind she deserves during this difficult transition. Your advocacy for her is so important - having family support while navigating these complex benefit systems makes all the difference in the world.

I'm going through the exact same situation right now! Just submitted my retirement application online last week and had that immediate panic when I realized there was no document upload section. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been such a huge relief - it's amazing how many of us go through this same worry! The explanation about SSA already having our birth information from when we originally got our Social Security cards decades ago makes perfect sense, but I never would have thought of it that way. Like you, I applied about 3 months before my target benefit start date, so hearing from multiple people that this timing provides a good safety net is really reassuring. It's funny how something as simple as not being able to upload documents can make you feel like you've messed up the entire application! But clearly this is just how their system is designed to work. I'll definitely be watching my mail for that acknowledgment letter and trying to be patient instead of second-guessing myself. Thanks for asking this question - you've helped calm the nerves of a lot of us first-time applicants!

I'm so relieved to find this thread! I literally just went through this exact same panic yesterday when I submitted my retirement application online. Like everyone else, I kept looking for some upload button or document submission section and couldn't find anything. I was convinced I had somehow skipped a crucial step or that the application was incomplete. Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly reassuring - it's clear that SSA's system is actually designed to work this way on purpose. The explanation about them already having our birth information from when we originally got our Social Security cards decades ago makes complete sense, but I never would have thought of it that way without this community's help. I applied about 10 weeks before I want my benefits to start, so hearing from so many people that this timing provides plenty of buffer for any potential document requests really eases my mind. It's amazing how many of us go through this same worry - you'd think SSA would add some kind of explanation on the confirmation page to prevent all this anxiety! I'll definitely be watching my mail for the acknowledgment letter and keeping my birth certificate handy just in case, but feeling much more confident now that I understand how the process actually works. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this community is such a valuable resource for navigating these big life transitions!

I'm also considering early retirement and this discussion has been incredibly valuable! One aspect I haven't seen mentioned is what happens to any automatic deposits or direct deposit arrangements during the withdrawal process. When you submit Form SSA-521 and they stop your benefits, do they automatically reverse any pending deposits, or do you need to coordinate with your bank separately? Also, for those who've been through this - did SSA provide a clear timeline for when they need the full repayment after your withdrawal is approved? I'm trying to understand if there's flexibility in the repayment timing or if it needs to happen immediately upon approval. The financial planning aspect of having that lump sum ready at the right time seems just as important as making the withdrawal decision itself.

As someone who's been following Social Security policy changes closely, I wanted to add that it's worth double-checking the current processing times with SSA before you submit your withdrawal. I've heard anecdotally that processing times have been longer recently due to staffing issues at some field offices. When you call to discuss your withdrawal, ask specifically about current processing timelines in your region. Also, make sure to keep detailed records of all your communications with SSA throughout this process - dates, representative names, reference numbers, etc. This documentation can be invaluable if there are any delays or complications. Given that you're well within the 12-month window with 8 months remaining, you have the luxury of being thorough rather than rushed. The financial benefit of waiting until 67 is substantial enough that it's worth taking the time to do this withdrawal process correctly the first time.