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Just wanted to chime in as someone who works in benefits administration - you're absolutely right not to worry about the personal injury settlement! The key thing to remember is that Social Security's earnings test only applies to what they call "countable income," which is essentially money you earn through work or self-employment. Personal injury settlements, insurance payouts, inheritances, gifts, lottery winnings, and similar one-time payments are specifically excluded from the earnings test. The logic is that these aren't compensation for current work activity, so they don't factor into whether you're "retired" or not. Your $9,500 settlement won't affect your monthly benefit amount at all. Just keep tracking that consulting income carefully - that's the only thing SSA cares about for your earnings limit. And congratulations on getting your settlement! Grocery store falls can be really serious, so I'm glad you were able to get some compensation for your troubles.
This is exactly the kind of professional insight that makes these discussions so valuable! As someone new to navigating Social Security benefits, it's really helpful to understand the underlying logic behind these rules. The distinction between "countable income" from work versus other types of payments makes perfect sense when you explain it that way - they're really trying to determine if you're truly "retired" from active work, not penalize you for receiving compensation for past injuries or other non-work-related money. Thanks for breaking that down so clearly and for mentioning all those other examples like inheritances and lottery winnings. It gives me confidence that I understand the bigger picture now, not just this specific situation.
This has been such an educational thread! As someone who's been working in personal injury law for over 15 years, I can confirm everything that's been said here about settlements not counting as earned income for Social Security purposes. What I always tell my clients is that the IRS and Social Security Administration have very different definitions of "income." For tax purposes, personal injury settlements are generally not taxable income (with some exceptions for punitive damages or interest). For Social Security's earnings test, they're not considered "countable earnings" at all since they're compensatory, not wages. The only time I've seen issues arise is when clients receive structured settlements that include specific language about "lost future earnings" or "wage replacement." Even then, it's usually only problematic if you're receiving ongoing monthly payments designated as wage replacement rather than a lump sum for pain and suffering. @Savannah Weiner - sounds like your settlement is straightforward compensatory damages, so you should be all set. Just keep those settlement documents handy in case you ever need to reference them down the road. And definitely stay on top of tracking that consulting income - that's where people sometimes get tripped up with the annual limits. Great job everyone sharing such helpful real-world experiences!
This thread has been incredibly helpful for someone like me who's completely new to Social Security! I'm 61 and considering early retirement next year, but I've been so overwhelmed by all the rules and regulations. Reading everyone's real experiences and professional insights has made this so much clearer. @Brooklyn Foley - thank you for explaining the difference between IRS and SSA definitions of income! I never would have thought about that distinction. It s'also really useful to know about the structured settlement scenarios where issues might arise. I feel so much more confident now about understanding what does and doesn t'count toward the earnings limit. This whole discussion has shown me that there are knowledgeable people in this community who are willing to share their expertise, which makes navigating these complex government benefits feel much less scary. I ll'definitely be bookmarking this thread for future reference!
I work as a benefits counselor and see this protective filing date issue come up frequently with widow benefits. Your situation is textbook - you contacted SSA in September expressing intent to file, which absolutely should establish your protective filing date regardless of when you completed the paperwork in October. Here's something that might help: when you call SSA, ask them to look up your "Modernized Claims System" (MCS) record. This should show the date of your initial contact. If they can't find a September record, ask them to check their "Internet Claims" system as well, since sometimes initial contacts get logged in different systems. Also, be prepared for them to potentially ask about the specific nature of your September call - they might claim it was just "inquiry" rather than "intent to file." Make it clear that you called specifically to start your widow benefits application process, not just to ask general questions. If you hit roadblocks, you can also contact your local Social Security office directly - sometimes they're more helpful than the national 800 number. And if all else fails, your congressional representative's office can often help resolve SSA disputes like this. Don't let them shortchange you on those missing months. The rules are on your side here.
This is incredibly valuable information - thank you so much! I had no idea about the different computer systems (MCS and Internet Claims) that might have records of my September call. That gives me very specific things to ask for when I call. You're absolutely right that I need to be clear about expressing "intent to file" versus just making an inquiry - I definitely called to start the application process, not just ask questions. The tip about contacting my local SSA office is great too - I hadn't considered that route. And knowing I can involve my congressional representative if needed gives me confidence that there are multiple ways to resolve this if SSA gives me the runaround. Really appreciate the professional insight - it's so helpful to hear from someone who deals with these issues regularly!
I'm really sorry you're going through this frustrating situation while dealing with the loss of your husband. Based on what you've described and the excellent advice others have shared here, it definitely sounds like there's an issue with your protective filing date that's costing you those September and October payments. As someone new to this community, I wanted to add that it might also be worth requesting a "reconsideration" in writing if your phone calls don't resolve this. Sometimes having a written request triggers a more thorough review of your case. You can submit a Form SSA-561 (Request for Reconsideration) if they won't correct the protective filing date issue over the phone. Also, when you do call, you might want to specifically mention that you're requesting an "escalation to a Claims Specialist" rather than just asking for a supervisor. Claims Specialists are specifically trained in these types of protective filing date issues and might be better equipped to review and correct your case. The $2,900 in missing backpay is absolutely worth pursuing, especially with medical bills pending. Don't let them discourage you - the protective filing date rules exist specifically to protect people in situations like yours where there are delays in completing paperwork after the initial contact. Keep fighting for what you're entitled to!
Thank you for the warm welcome and this really helpful advice! I hadn't heard about Form SSA-561 or requesting a Claims Specialist specifically - that's exactly the kind of detailed guidance I needed. It's reassuring to know there are formal processes like reconsideration if the phone calls don't work out. I'm writing down "escalation to a Claims Specialist" to use when I call. As a newcomer here, I'm really impressed by how knowledgeable and supportive this community is. Everyone has given me such specific, actionable advice that I feel much more prepared to advocate for myself. The $2,900 may not seem like a lot to some people, but with medical bills piling up, it would make a real difference for me. Thank you for encouraging me to keep fighting for what I'm entitled to!
Just wanted to add one more consideration that might help with your decision-making process. Since you mentioned working at a hardware store part-time, you might want to verify whether that job is covered by Social Security (most private sector jobs are, but it's worth confirming). Every year you continue working and paying into Social Security could potentially help with both your benefit calculation and possibly reduce any WEP impact, since WEP reductions can be lessened if you have more years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security. Also, given all the great advice in this thread about getting accurate calculations from SSA, you might want to specifically ask them about something called the "WEP guarantee" - this ensures that your WEP reduction can never be more than half of your government pension amount. With a $2,800 monthly pension, your maximum WEP reduction would be capped at $1,400, though as others mentioned, it will likely be much less than that with your 15 years of Social Security-covered earnings. The combination of potentially building more substantial earnings years AND the delayed retirement credits could really work in your favor if you can afford to wait. Definitely get those specific numbers from SSA before making your final decision!
This is such valuable additional information! I hadn't heard about the "WEP guarantee" before - knowing that my reduction can't exceed half of my pension ($1,400) is actually reassuring since everyone's been mentioning it could be much lower anyway with my work history. And you're absolutely right about continuing to build substantial earnings years. My hardware store job is definitely covered by Social Security (I can see the deductions on my paystubs), so even working part-time I'm still contributing to the system. If staying longer could both increase my delayed retirement credits AND potentially reduce the WEP impact by adding more substantial earnings years, that's a double benefit I hadn't considered. I'm definitely going to ask SSA about all of this when I call - the WEP guarantee, exactly how many substantial earnings years I currently have, whether my part-time work could add to that count, and then get those year-by-year projections with WEP applied. This thread has been incredibly helpful in giving me the right questions to ask. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences!
One additional resource that might be helpful as you work through all these calculations is the Social Security Administration's publication "How Work Affects Your Benefits" (Publication No. 05-10069). It has detailed examples of how the earnings test works and includes scenarios for people with pensions. Also, since you're dealing with both WEP and earnings limit questions, you might want to ask SSA about getting a "benefit verification letter" once you start receiving benefits. This letter will show exactly how your benefit amount was calculated, including any WEP reductions, which can be helpful for tax planning and general record-keeping. Given all the great strategic advice in this thread about potentially delaying benefits, one thing to keep in mind is that you can always change your mind. You could start benefits at 62 and then if your financial situation changes, you have the option within the first 12 months to withdraw your application and pay back what you've received, essentially giving you a "do-over" to wait for a higher benefit amount. It's not something most people use, but it's good to know the option exists as you're weighing your timing decision.
Thanks for mentioning that publication and the benefit verification letter - those sound like really useful resources I hadn't heard of before! The "do-over" option is particularly interesting to know about. It's reassuring that there's some flexibility built into the system even after you start claiming benefits. I'm starting to feel much more confident about approaching this decision systematically rather than just jumping into claiming at 62 without fully understanding all the implications. Between getting the proper WEP calculations, understanding how my continued part-time work might help, and having that safety net of being able to reconsider within the first year, I have a much clearer path forward now. This has been one of the most helpful discussions I've had about Social Security planning. Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and experiences!
I went through this exact situation with my parents last year! My mom was getting around $900 while dad got $2,400, and it turned out she was missing about $300/month in spousal benefits. The key thing that helped us was bringing a printed copy of dad's benefit statement to the SSA office - it showed his PIA clearly, which made it easier for the agent to calculate what mom should be getting. We ended up getting 8 months of back pay (about $2,400 total) because that's when the error started. The whole process took about 6 weeks from when we first called to when the corrected payments started. One tip: if you go to a local office instead of calling, bring both parents if possible. They seemed to process everything faster when both spouses were present to verify the marriage and benefit details. Don't give up on this - the math definitely looks wrong based on what you've shared, and that missing money really adds up over time!
Thank you so much for sharing your success story! It's really encouraging to hear that you were able to get this resolved and recover 8 months of back pay. The tip about bringing a printed copy of dad's benefit statement is brilliant - having that PIA information readily available probably saved a lot of time and confusion. I think we'll try the local office approach first since you mentioned it was faster with both parents present. Six weeks seems very reasonable for this kind of correction, and $2,400 in back pay shows just how much these "small" monthly differences add up over time. Your experience gives me a lot of hope that we can get this sorted out for my mom. Really appreciate you taking the time to share the details of your process!
I'm going through something very similar with my grandmother right now! She's been getting around $800 while my grandfather gets $2,100, and we just discovered she's been underpaid for over two years. What really helped us was creating a simple spreadsheet before calling SSA that showed: 1) Grandfather's current benefit amount, 2) What 50% of that should be ($1,050 in his case), and 3) What grandmother is actually receiving. Having those numbers clearly laid out made it much easier to explain the discrepancy to the SSA representative. We also learned that if your parents have been married for more than 10 years and your dad has been receiving benefits for at least 2 years, your mom is definitely eligible for spousal benefits. The representative we finally got (on our 4th call!) told us that sometimes the system doesn't automatically trigger the spousal benefit calculation, especially if there were any data entry errors during the original application process. One more thing - if your mom has a my Social Security account, you can actually see a breakdown of her benefits there. It will show if she's getting any spousal supplement or just her worker benefit. That might give you a clearer picture before you call. Good luck, and don't let them brush you off - this is real money your mom has earned!
PaulineW
As someone who works with Social Security claims regularly, I want to emphasize that this is exactly the kind of decision where getting official SSA guidance is crucial. The rules around early filing and spousal benefits are complex, and the reduction factors can vary based on your specific birth year and exact filing dates. One key point that hasn't been fully addressed: if you're considering the spousal benefit route, remember that your husband must actually file for his benefits before you can claim spousal benefits. So the timing becomes a coordination between both of your filing decisions, not just yours alone. I'd strongly recommend using the SSA's online retirement estimator tool at ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/estimator.html - it will show you personalized projections based on your actual earnings record. You can model different claiming scenarios to see the dollar impact over time. Also, don't forget that if you're still working, the earnings test might reduce your benefits if you claim before your FRA and earn above certain thresholds ($22,320 for 2024). This is another factor that could influence your optimal timing. Given the complexity and the long-term financial impact, consider getting a second opinion from a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization, not just general financial advice.
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Rachel Clark
•This is incredibly comprehensive advice - thank you! I hadn't thought about the coordination aspect with my husband's filing, and you're absolutely right that he needs to file before I can claim spousal benefits. That adds another layer of complexity to consider. I'm still working part-time so the earnings test is definitely something I need to factor in too. The retirement estimator tool sounds like exactly what I need to see the actual numbers. Do you know if that tool can model the spousal benefit scenarios as well, or does it only show my own benefit projections?
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Yara Khalil
•The online retirement estimator primarily shows your own benefit projections, but it's still valuable for getting the baseline numbers. For spousal benefit modeling, you'll need to do some manual calculations or use SSA's more detailed benefit calculators. The key is knowing both your and your husband's Primary Insurance Amounts (PIAs). One thing I'd add - since you mentioned you're still working part-time, if you're earning more than the annual limit ($22,320 in 2024), Social Security will withhold $1 for every $2 you earn above that threshold until you reach FRA. This money isn't lost forever - they recalculate your benefit at FRA to give you credit for the withheld amounts - but it's another reason why claiming early while working might not make financial sense. Also, make sure your husband understands that his filing decision affects your options too. Some couples benefit from having the higher earner delay until age 70 to maximize both the worker benefit and the eventual survivor benefit.
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Tasia Synder
I went through this exact same decision process two years ago and wanted to share what helped me most. After getting conflicting advice from multiple sources, I finally scheduled an appointment at my local SSA office (yes, there was a wait, but it was worth it). The key insight I got was this: they showed me my actual benefit statement with the exact dollar amounts for different claiming ages. Seeing "$1,234 at age 62" versus "$1,763 at age 67" made it crystal clear what I'd be giving up permanently by claiming early. For the spousal benefit question specifically, they explained that if you claim YOUR benefit early, any future spousal benefit gets the SAME reduction percentage applied. So if claiming at 62 reduces your benefit by 30%, your spousal benefit would also be reduced by about 30-35% from the full amount. One thing that really helped: I asked them to print out a worksheet showing my breakeven age for different scenarios. It turned out that if I lived past 79, waiting until FRA would give me more total lifetime benefits. Since I'm healthy and have good genes, waiting made sense for me. My advice: book an SSA appointment, bring a list of specific questions, and ask them to show you the actual dollar calculations for your situation. The generic advice online can only go so far - your specific earnings history makes all the difference in what strategy works best for you.
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Nia Harris
•This is such practical advice - thank you for sharing your real experience! I love that you got them to actually print out a worksheet with your specific numbers and breakeven analysis. That's exactly what I need to see to make this decision with confidence. I'm definitely going to book an SSA appointment now. Did you have to wait long to get an appointment, and do you remember what documents you needed to bring? I want to make sure I'm fully prepared so I can get the most out of the meeting like you did.
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Connor Gallagher
•For the appointment, I waited about 3-4 weeks to get in, but it was definitely worth the wait. I brought my Social Security statement (the annual one they mail out), my husband's statement, a list of questions I'd written out beforehand, and a simple calculator. The most important thing was having my questions written down - things like "What exactly would my spousal benefit be if I file at 62 versus waiting?" and "Can you show me the breakeven analysis?" The agent was actually really helpful once I had specific questions rather than just asking "what should I do?" Generally. Also, call first thing in the morning when they open - I found I got through faster that way for scheduling.
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