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Reading below it looks like the withholding percentage, say 12% is on the gross and then medicare premiums, etc come out of what is left taken withholding, is this correct?

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Actually, it's the opposite! The tax withholding percentage is calculated on your net Social Security benefit AFTER Medicare premiums and other deductions are taken out. So if your gross benefit is $2,000 and Medicare Part B takes out $207, your net benefit becomes $1,793. Then if you chose 12% tax withholding, that would be 12% of $1,793 (about $215), not 12% of the original $2,000. This is why @Ryder Greene s'math above works out - his $285 withholding is roughly 10% of his post-Medicare amount, not his gross $2,850.

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Just wanted to add one more consideration for your planning - if you have a Health Savings Account (HSA), you can use it to pay for Medicare premiums tax-free once you're enrolled in Medicare! This includes Part B, Part D, and Medicare Advantage premiums. You can't use HSA funds for Medigap premiums though. Also, once you enroll in Medicare, you can no longer contribute to an HSA, but you can still use what's already in there. This could help offset some of those monthly deductions everyone's talking about. Make sure to coordinate your Medicare enrollment timing if you're still working and have employer health coverage - there are some tricky rules around that!

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This is great additional info about HSAs! I hadn't thought about using my HSA for Medicare premiums. Quick question - when you say I can't contribute to an HSA once I enroll in Medicare, does that include if I'm still working past 65? I was planning to delay Medicare enrollment since I'll have employer coverage, but want to make sure I understand the HSA contribution rules correctly.

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As someone who works in banking and has helped many customers set up representative payee accounts, I wanted to add a few practical tips for anyone navigating this process: **Bank preparation**: When you call or visit the bank, specifically ask for a "representative payee account" or "fiduciary account." Don't just say you need an account for your child's benefits - the terminology matters and will help you get connected to someone who knows what you're talking about. **Required documentation typically includes**: - Your ID and the beneficiary's Social Security card - SSA appointment letter (as mentioned earlier) - Sometimes they'll want a copy of the award letter too **Account features to ask about**: - Interest rates (even 0.5% adds up over time) - Online banking access for easy record-keeping - Free checks (you'll likely need these for larger expenses) - Overdraft protection policies One thing I see people struggle with is understanding that while the account is "for" the child, it's legally in your name as the representative payee. The bank statements will show your name with language like "FBO [child's name]" or "as representative payee for [child's name]." And yes, definitely shop around if your first bank isn't helpful. Some institutions are much better equipped to handle these accounts than others!

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This is incredibly helpful from someone who actually works in banking! I had no idea that using the specific terminology "representative payee account" or "fiduciary account" would make such a difference in getting connected to the right person. That alone could save a lot of frustration. The documentation checklist is perfect - I was wondering exactly what I'd need to bring, and having the award letter as a potential requirement is good to know ahead of time. I really appreciate the point about account features to ask about too. I hadn't thought to specifically inquire about overdraft protection policies, but that could definitely be important. The clarification about how the account titling works is really valuable too. Understanding that it's legally in my name "FBO" my child helps explain how the whole structure works legally. Thanks for sharing your professional perspective - it's so helpful to get insights from someone who's seen this process from the bank's side and knows what makes it go smoothly versus what causes confusion!

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I'm a newcomer here but have been researching this exact topic as I'm about to become a rep payee for my disabled nephew. This entire thread has been incredibly informative - thank you all for sharing such detailed experiences! One question I haven't seen addressed: if I set up the rep payee account properly from the start but then need to switch banks later (maybe due to moving or better rates elsewhere), what's the process? Do I need to get approval from SSA first, or can I just transfer the funds to a new properly-titled account and notify them afterward? Also, I keep seeing mentions of the annual SSA-6230 form - is this something they automatically send to all rep payees, or do I need to request it? I want to make sure I don't miss any deadlines once I get started. The organization tips shared here are gold - definitely planning to implement the binder system and quarterly record updates. It's clear that staying on top of documentation from day one makes everything much easier down the road!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm glad Alice got her issue resolved. As someone who's been dealing with Social Security planning for my own retirement, I've noticed similar inconsistencies on my statements over the years. It's reassuring to know that the actual benefit calculation system is separate from the statement display system, but it's still frustrating that these errors persist year after year. For anyone else dealing with similar issues, I'd recommend documenting everything - take screenshots of your statements showing the discrepancy, write down dates and times of phone calls, and keep notes of what agents tell you. Even if it's "just" a display error, having that paper trail could be important if there are any issues when you actually file for benefits. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions, especially the tip about the call service - that's going to be a game changer for getting through to SSA!

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This is excellent advice about documenting everything! I'm new to navigating Social Security but already seeing how complex it can be. The paper trail approach makes so much sense - especially since Alice mentioned this error showed up "year after year" on her statements. Even though they said it's just a display issue, having that documentation could save a lot of headaches down the road when it's time to actually claim benefits. Thanks for sharing that tip!

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As someone who's dealt with similar SSA calculation discrepancies, I want to echo what others have said about the importance of getting this documented properly. Even though Alice got confirmation that it's a "display error," I'd still recommend requesting written confirmation of what the agent told you - either through a follow-up letter or email if possible. I've learned from experience that verbal assurances don't always translate to correct processing when you actually file. The fact that this is a "known issue" with certain birth months suggests it's a systemic problem that could potentially affect the actual benefit calculation too, despite what they're saying. Also, for anyone else reading this thread - if you discover similar errors on your statement, consider filing a formal complaint through the SSA's online complaint system in addition to calling. Sometimes having multiple touchpoints helps ensure these issues get properly escalated and fixed. The complaint reference number can also serve as additional documentation if problems arise later.

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This is really smart advice about getting written confirmation! I'm just starting to look into my Social Security benefits and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the potential issues that can come up. The idea of filing a formal complaint in addition to calling makes a lot of sense - it creates that official record you mentioned. I'm curious though - when you say "verbal assurances don't always translate to correct processing," have you actually experienced cases where what an agent promised over the phone didn't happen when benefits were processed? That's pretty concerning if so. I'm wondering if I should be more proactive about checking my own statements now rather than waiting until I'm closer to retirement.

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I'm in a similar situation and want to add something that might help with your decision-making process. Since you mentioned you have savings to live on, you might want to run a "break-even" analysis to see at what age waiting until 70 becomes more profitable than taking reduced benefits at 62. For example, if your benefit at 62 would be $1,200/month but waiting until 70 gets you $2,000/month, you'd collect $96,000 over 8 years by taking it early. But the higher benefit would "catch up" in about 12 years (around age 82). Given your family longevity, waiting could mean significantly more lifetime income. Also, don't forget that your Social Security benefits might be partially taxable depending on your other retirement income, so factor that into your calculations too. The SSA representatives should be able to help you with the benefit estimates, but they won't do the break-even math for you - that's something you'll need to calculate yourself or with a financial advisor. Good luck with your appointment! The wait times have gotten better at most offices lately.

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This break-even analysis approach is exactly what I needed to hear! I never thought about calculating the crossover point like that. Your example really helps put it in perspective - if I'm likely to live past 82 (which seems probable given my family history), then waiting makes financial sense even though it's hard to turn down money now. I'm definitely going to ask the SSA rep to run the numbers for both my own benefits and the divorced spouse benefits at different claiming ages. Then I can do the math myself to figure out which strategy maximizes my lifetime income. Thank you for mentioning the tax implications too - I hadn't considered that my other retirement accounts might push me into a higher tax bracket. Has anyone here actually done this type of break-even calculation? I'm wondering if there are any online calculators that might help with the math.

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There are actually several good online calculators that can help with Social Security break-even analysis! The AARP Social Security Calculator and the SSA's own retirement estimator are decent starting points, but for more detailed scenarios involving divorced spouse benefits, I'd recommend the calculators at FidSafe or Social Security Solutions. One thing to keep in mind with your break-even analysis - don't just look at the monthly benefit amounts. Also factor in potential cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) over time, since a higher base benefit means larger dollar increases each year when they adjust for inflation. Also, since you mentioned good family longevity, consider that Social Security benefits continue for life and include survivor protections that other investments don't offer. That guaranteed income stream becomes more valuable the longer you live, especially if healthcare costs increase as you age. The math can get complex, but once you have your actual benefit estimates from SSA, plug those numbers into a few different calculators to see if they give you consistent results. Most show that if you expect to live past your early 80s, delaying benefits usually wins out financially.

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Thank you for the calculator recommendations! I just tried the AARP one and it's really eye-opening to see the numbers laid out visually. The difference between claiming at 62 vs 70 is much larger than I expected - almost double the monthly benefit! I'm curious about something you mentioned - how do the COLAs work exactly? Does a higher base benefit really mean I get more dollars each year from cost-of-living increases? That would be another advantage to waiting that I hadn't considered. Also, when you mention survivor protections, does that apply to divorced spouse benefits too? I'm not planning to remarry, but I want to understand all the implications of each choice. The guaranteed income aspect is definitely appealing given how volatile my 401k has been lately!

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Thank you all for the great information! I just checked my Social Security statement online, and thankfully all my work history appears to be there. Based on your advice, I think I'll plan to work at least 2-3 years beyond my FRA to replace some of those zero years. The extra $150-200 per month would make a big difference over a 20+ year retirement. I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences!

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Glad you got it sorted out! I did something similar and worked until 68. No regrets because that extra income really helps with inflation these days.

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Great decision to check your earnings record online! One thing to keep in mind as you plan those extra 2-3 years - make sure you're also considering the tax implications of higher Social Security benefits. Since you're earning $87k now, you'll likely be subject to taxation on up to 85% of your SS benefits when you do retire. It might be worth meeting with a tax professional or financial planner to run scenarios comparing the increased lifetime benefit from working longer versus potentially being in a lower tax bracket if you retire earlier. Sometimes the math isn't as straightforward as it first appears, especially when you factor in Medicare premiums and state taxes. That said, for most people in your situation, working those extra years does pay off significantly over the long term. Just wanted to mention the tax angle since it's often overlooked in these calculations!

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That's a really good point about the tax implications that I hadn't fully considered! I know my benefits will likely be taxable since my husband and I will have other retirement income too. Do you happen to know if there are any good online calculators that factor in both the increased SS benefits AND the tax impact? Or would I really need to sit down with a professional to get an accurate picture of the net benefit of working those extra years?

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