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I'm confused cause my accountant told me I should ALWAYS send 1099s to attorneys regardless of payment method? Is she wrong??
Your accountant is mixing up two different rules. There is a special rule that attorney payments must be reported regardless of the amount (no $600 minimum threshold like with other contractors), BUT this doesn't override the credit card exception. If you pay an attorney by check, cash, or direct bank transfer, you must report it on 1099-NEC regardless of amount. But if you pay by credit card, the reporting obligation shifts to the payment processor. Your accountant might be taking an overly cautious approach, but issuing 1099-NECs for credit card payments will create double-reporting headaches.
I'd suggest showing your accountant the relevant IRS guidance on this. Sometimes even experienced professionals can get overly cautious with attorney payment rules because they remember the "always report attorney payments" rule but forget that it has exceptions for third-party processor payments. You might want to print out the IRS instructions for Form 1099-NEC, which specifically state that you don't need to report payments made by credit card or other third-party networks. That way you have the official documentation to discuss with her. It's better to clarify this now than deal with amended returns later!
This is such a common confusion point! I run a small consulting business and dealt with this exact same question last year. The key thing to remember is that when you use ANY third-party payment processor (credit cards, PayPal business, Venmo business, etc.), THEY become responsible for the 1099-K reporting, not you. The special attorney reporting rule that requires reporting regardless of amount only applies to direct payments - checks, cash, wire transfers, ACH payments, etc. Credit card payments are specifically exempt from this requirement because the payment network handles the reporting. I made the mistake of double-reporting one attorney payment two years ago (sent both a 1099-NEC for a credit card payment), and it created a huge headache for my lawyer during tax season. They had to file additional paperwork to reconcile the duplicate income reporting with the IRS. Lesson learned! The safest approach: If money flows through a third-party processor, let them handle the 1099 reporting. If you pay directly, then you're responsible for the 1099-NEC.
This is really helpful! I'm new to running a business and was totally confused about this. Just to clarify - does this third-party processor rule apply to all types of service providers, or is there something special about attorneys that I should know about? Also, what about those payment apps like Zelle or Cash App for business payments?
Has anyone tried both the IRS withholding estimator and TurboTax's W-4 calculator? I'm wondering which one is better for someone with large medical deductions like the original poster.
I've used both. The IRS tool is more comprehensive but TurboTax's is more user-friendly. For medical expenses specifically, I found the IRS tool better because it asks more detailed questions about your medical situation and different types of deductions. If you use TurboTax for filing, their W-4 tool will pull your info from last year automatically which is convenient. But for accuracy with unusual situations like high medical costs, the IRS estimator gave me better results.
I went through this exact same situation last year with major medical expenses from a surgery, so I totally understand your confusion! The W-4 changes a few years back definitely made it more complicated. Here's what I learned after making some mistakes initially: You need to estimate ALL your itemized deductions for the year (medical expenses above 7.5% of your AGI, plus any mortgage interest, state/local taxes, charitable donations, etc.). Then subtract the standard deduction amount from that total. Only put the difference on line 4(b) of the W-4. With $27,000 in medical bills, a good chunk of that should qualify as deductible once you apply the 7.5% AGI threshold. Don't forget you can also include mileage to/from medical appointments and prescription costs. One tip that saved me: keep really detailed records of everything medical-related this year since you'll likely continue having follow-up appointments and expenses. I use a simple spreadsheet to track dates, amounts, and what each expense was for. Makes tax time so much easier! The instructions really are confusing - you're not alone in feeling lost by them. Take your time working through the calculations and don't hesitate to adjust your W-4 later in the year if your situation changes.
This is such great advice! I'm also dealing with ongoing medical expenses and the spreadsheet idea is brilliant. Quick question - when you track mileage for medical appointments, do you use the standard IRS mileage rate or actual gas costs? And did you include things like parking fees at the hospital? I have so many little expenses that I wasn't sure would qualify but they really add up over time.
I'm also currently dealing with Reference 1581 and this entire discussion has been such a relief to find! I filed my return about 2.5 weeks ago and have been seeing this code for the past week. Like so many others here, I was getting really anxious thinking I'd made some critical mistake on my return. I also claimed EITC this year due to being laid off and having lower income than usual, so my situation definitely fits the consistent pattern everyone's describing. What's been most helpful is seeing all the real-world timelines from people who've actually gone through this process - knowing to expect 4-8 weeks instead of that scary "up to 120 days" message on the IRS website has made such a difference for my peace of mind. @QuantumQuest I'm absolutely taking your advice about limiting status checks to once per week - I've already been obsessively refreshing that page multiple times daily and it's just making me more stressed without accomplishing anything. Your weekly strategy sounds much more reasonable for maintaining sanity during this wait! It's also really encouraging to hear from @CosmicVoyager and others who got through to IRS agents and learned these are routine compliance reviews rather than actual problems with our returns. The fact that most people's refunds come through without any changes to the amount is such a huge relief. Thank you to everyone who's shared their experiences and timelines here. This community support has honestly been a lifesaver for managing the anxiety that comes with these mysterious IRS codes. It's so reassuring to know we're all going through this together and that the vast majority resolve without any action needed on our part!
I'm so grateful to have found this discussion! I'm also dealing with Reference 1581 right now - filed about 3 weeks ago and have been stuck with this code for over a week. Like everyone else here, I was really starting to panic wondering if I'd messed something up on my return. I also claimed EITC this year since I'm a student working part-time with limited income, so it sounds like I fit right into the pattern everyone's describing. Reading through all these shared experiences has been incredibly reassuring - it's clear this is happening to a lot of people this tax season due to the IRS's expanded compliance reviews. The real-world timelines everyone has provided (4-8 weeks) are so much more helpful than that vague "up to 120 days" message on their website. @QuantumQuest I'm definitely going to follow your weekly check advice - I've already been obsessively refreshing that status page and it's just adding unnecessary stress! It's also encouraging to hear from people like @CosmicVoyager who got actual information from IRS agents confirming these are routine reviews. Thank you all for creating such a supportive community around this frustrating situation - it really helps to know we're all in this waiting game together!
I'm currently experiencing Reference 1581 as well and this thread has been incredibly helpful! Filed my return about 2 weeks ago and just started seeing this code a few days ago. Like everyone else here, I was immediately worried I'd made some serious error on my return. I also claimed EITC this year due to reduced income from switching jobs mid-year, so my situation fits perfectly with the pattern everyone's describing. It's really reassuring to see how consistent all these experiences are - clearly this is part of the IRS's expanded compliance review process rather than individual problems with our returns. The real-world timelines shared here (4-8 weeks) are so much more valuable than that generic "up to 120 days" message on the IRS website. @QuantumQuest I'm definitely implementing your weekly check strategy starting now - I can already tell I'm going to become obsessive about refreshing that status page if I don't set boundaries! It's also encouraging to hear from @CosmicVoyager and others who spoke with IRS agents and confirmed these are routine reviews where refunds typically aren't changed. That was one of my biggest worries. Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences and creating such a supportive discussion. This community has honestly saved my sanity during this stressful waiting period. It's so comforting to know we're all going through this together and that the vast majority of these codes resolve themselves with patience!
Thank you all for this incredibly helpful discussion! As someone dealing with the exact same situation, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge. @Alexis Robinson - your original question perfectly captured what I've been struggling with too. Based on all the responses here, it sounds like the key is identifying who you're paying the mortgage to. Since you mentioned it's a business property with mortgage payments, if you're paying a traditional bank or financial institution, you shouldn't need to issue any 1099 forms at all. The breakdown that @Katherine Harris provided is really clear - it's all about the type of entity receiving the payments. The $27,600 in interest you mentioned would only need to be reported on a 1099-INT if you're paying an individual, LLC, or partnership (not a corporation or bank). One thing I'd definitely recommend is getting this confirmed directly with the IRS or a tax professional before filing, especially given the amount involved. Better to be absolutely certain than to face issues later during an audit.
@Lauren Johnson makes a great point about getting professional confirmation! I m'actually new to handling business taxes and this thread has been incredibly educational. The distinction between different entity types for 1099 reporting requirements wasn t'something I understood before. One follow-up question for the group - if you do need to issue a 1099-INT to an individual or LLC, what s'the deadline for getting that done? I want to make sure I m'not missing any important filing dates if I end up in a similar situation with our small business property. @Alexis Robinson - hoping you get this sorted out soon! It sounds like you have a much clearer picture now of what you need to do based on who your mortgage payments are going to.
The deadline for issuing 1099-INT forms is January 31st for the copies that go to the recipients, and February 28th (or March 31st if filing electronically) for the copies that go to the IRS. So if you're dealing with 2023 payments, those deadlines have already passed for this tax year. For future reference, you'll also need to get a W-9 form from any individual or non-corporate entity you're paying mortgage interest to - this ensures you have their correct taxpayer identification number and address for the 1099-INT. Most legitimate lenders will provide this upfront, but if you're dealing with seller financing, make sure to request it early in the process. @Alexis Robinson - given that your 2023 payments totaled $27,600 in interest, this is definitely something you'll want to resolve quickly. If you missed the filing deadlines and needed to issue 1099-INTs, you may want to consult with a tax professional about potential penalties and how to remedy the situation.
This is really helpful information about the deadlines! As someone who's completely new to business tax reporting, I had no idea the 1099-INT deadlines were different from other tax forms. The January 31st deadline for recipients seems pretty tight - definitely something to plan ahead for next year. @NebulaNinja - your point about getting the W-9 form early is spot on. I can imagine how stressful it would be to realize you need to issue a 1099-INT but don't have the proper taxpayer information from the recipient. Do you know if there are penalties for late filing of 1099-INT forms, and how severe they typically are for small businesses? @Alexis Robinson - I hope you re'able to get this resolved! It sounds like the consensus is that if you re'paying a traditional bank, you re'probably in the clear, but if it s'seller financing or payments to an individual/LLC, you ll'definitely want to address this ASAP.
Omar Hassan
dont worry about it too much this happened to me last year. my company suddenly doubled my withholding for like 3 paychecks. turned out someone in HR entered something wrong in the system. i did get all the extra $$ back on my refund but it was annoying to wait.
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Chloe Anderson
ā¢Did you have to do anything special on your tax return to get the extra withholding back? Or does it happen automatically?
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Nathan Dell
This exact thing happened to me about 6 months ago! The sudden jump in withholding is definitely alarming when you're not expecting it. As others have mentioned, you absolutely will get back any excess withholding when you file your taxes - it's calculated automatically based on your total tax liability for the year versus what was withheld. But definitely don't wait to address this with HR. In my case, it turned out someone had accidentally changed my filing status in the payroll system from "Married Filing Jointly" to "Single" which dramatically increased my withholding. Once we caught it and fixed it, my next paycheck went back to normal. The good news is that even if a few more paychecks go out with the wrong withholding, you're not losing that money permanently. But why give the government an interest-free loan of your hard-earned cash when you could be using it now? Get it sorted ASAP!
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Mason Kaczka
ā¢Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know it's a common issue. Quick question - when you went to HR, did they need you to fill out a new W-4 form, or were they able to just correct the error in their system? I'm trying to figure out what documentation I might need to bring when I talk to them.
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