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Just a heads-up for anyone applying for a trust EIN - make sure you're clear about what type of trust you have before starting the application. I messed up and had to call to get it fixed. Estate trusts, living trusts, and testamentary trusts are all handled differently. Double check your paperwork first!!
Can you elaborate on what the differences are in the application process? I have a revocable living trust if that matters.
For revocable living trusts, you'll select "Trust" as the entity type and then specify it's a "Grantor Trust" since the grantor (you) retains control. The key difference is that revocable trusts are typically disregarded entities for tax purposes while the grantor is alive, so you might not even need a separate EIN unless you're planning to open bank accounts or have specific income-generating assets in the trust. Some banks require it even for revocable trusts though. Make sure you have the trust agreement date and the grantor's SSN ready - that's what they'll ask for specifically.
Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses! I ended up going with the online application route after reading through all your advice. @Sophia Gabriel your direct link was exactly what I needed - I had been getting lost in the general IRS website maze. I made sure to gather all my trust documents beforehand and set aside a solid 30 minutes without interruptions. The 15-minute timeout is real, so definitely don't start unless you're ready to finish! For anyone else doing this, the key info you'll need ready is: trust name, date the trust was established, trustee's full name and SSN, and the trust's address. Got my EIN instantly once I submitted the application. The whole process took about 10 minutes once I actually found the right page. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - it made this so much less stressful!
That's awesome that you got it sorted out! I'm actually in a similar situation right now - just started the process of setting up a trust for my elderly parents and was dreading dealing with the IRS paperwork. Your experience gives me hope that it's not as complicated as I was making it out to be in my head. Quick question - when you say you needed the "trust's address," did you use your home address or did you need to set up a separate address for the trust? I'm still figuring out all these details and want to make sure I have everything right before I start the application.
This is such a challenging situation, and I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise here. As someone who's been following this discussion, I wanted to add a perspective that might be helpful. The most striking thing about your brother's case is that he actually kept all the physical cash for 35 years - that's almost unprecedented discipline in maintaining records, even if they weren't properly reported. This could actually work in his favor during any disclosure process because it shows he wasn't spending unreported income on lifestyle inflation or hiding assets in complex ways. What concerns me most is the time pressure element that several people have mentioned. Every day he delays increases the risk that some other event (like a banking relationship review, a routine audit, or even a burglary report if someone discovers he has that much cash at home) could trigger IRS attention before he can get ahead of it with voluntary disclosure. From reading all these responses, it seems like the consensus is clear: get a criminal tax defense attorney immediately, understand all available voluntary disclosure options, and create a comprehensive plan before making any deposits or IRS contact. The upfront cost of proper legal representation will likely be a fraction of what poor handling could cost him in penalties, interest, and potential criminal exposure. Has your brother started looking into attorneys yet? Given the complexity and stakes involved, I'd suggest consultations with multiple specialists to make sure he finds someone with specific experience in large voluntary disclosures like this.
This is really great advice, especially the point about the cash being kept rather than spent - I hadn't thought about how that could actually be viewed positively. It shows he wasn't living above his reported means or trying to hide lavish purchases. I'm also struck by your comment about time pressure and other potential triggers. The home security risk alone with $420K in cash seems like a major concern that could force his hand in ways that aren't ideal for tax planning. One thing I'm wondering about is whether there are any preliminary steps he could take while searching for the right attorney - like organizing employment records or calculating rough estimates of annual tip amounts? Or would it be better to wait and let the attorney guide that process to avoid any missteps in documentation? The consultation approach with multiple specialists makes a lot of sense given the stakes here. This isn't the kind of situation where you want to go with the first attorney you find, especially when the difference between criminal and civil consequences could depend on how it's handled initially.
This thread has been incredibly informative, and I wanted to share some thoughts as someone who works in banking and has seen similar situations from the financial institution side. When your brother eventually makes this deposit, the bank will absolutely file both a Currency Transaction Report (CTR) and likely a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR). What many people don't realize is that banks have sophisticated software that tracks customer behavior patterns, so even if he had been making smaller deposits over time, the sudden change from zero banking activity to regular cash deposits would have triggered alerts anyway. From the bank's perspective, we're required to ask about the source of large cash deposits. Having a clear, honest explanation prepared (ideally with supporting documentation from his attorney) will make this process much smoother than being evasive or unprepared. One practical consideration that hasn't been mentioned: he should probably open the account at a bank where he doesn't currently have a relationship. This keeps his existing banking separate from what will inevitably become a heavily documented transaction. Also, some banks are more experienced with handling large cash transactions than others - community banks that work with cash-heavy businesses might be more comfortable with the process. The most important thing is that by the time he walks into any bank, he should already have legal representation and a clear disclosure strategy in place. The banking transaction should be the final step in the process, not the first one.
This is all really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation but have one additional question about quarterly estimated taxes. Since I'm treating my eBay selling as a business with Schedule C, do I need to be making quarterly estimated tax payments? My sales have been growing throughout 2024 and I'm worried I might owe a big chunk at tax time. I made about $15K in sales (probably around $8K profit after all expenses), but I haven't been setting aside money for taxes or making quarterly payments. Should I start making estimated payments for 2025, or is there a threshold where this becomes required? I don't want to get hit with penalties, but I also don't want to overpay if it's not necessary for my income level.
Yes, you should definitely consider making quarterly estimated tax payments for 2025! The general rule is that if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file, you should make quarterly payments to avoid penalties. With $8K in profit, you're looking at roughly $1,130 in self-employment tax alone (15.3% of your net earnings), plus regular income tax on top of that depending on your total income and tax bracket. So you'll likely cross that $1,000 threshold. For 2025, you can base your estimated payments on either 100% of what you owed in 2024 (110% if your 2024 AGI was over $150K), or 90% of what you expect to owe in 2025. The quarterly due dates are January 15, April 15, June 15, and September 15. I'd recommend setting aside about 25-30% of your net eBay profits each quarter for taxes - this covers both self-employment tax and income tax for most people. You can make the payments online through EFTPS or mail them in. Better to overpay slightly and get a refund than to owe penalties! Since you missed 2024 quarterly payments, just make sure to have enough set aside for when you file your return in early 2025.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of understanding how eBay's fee structure affects your Schedule C reporting. eBay charges final value fees, payment processing fees, and sometimes listing upgrade fees. All of these are deductible business expenses, but they need to be categorized correctly. The final value fees and payment processing fees would typically go on Line 27a (Other expenses) as "Platform fees" or "Merchant fees." If you use promoted listings or other advertising features, those would go on Line 8 (Advertising). Also, if you're selling in multiple categories on eBay, the fee percentages can vary significantly - electronics might be 12.9% while books could be 15%. This is why it's crucial to download your monthly eBay invoice statements rather than trying to estimate fees. These statements break down exactly what you paid for each type of fee, making your Schedule C much more accurate. I learned this the hard way my first year when I estimated my eBay fees and ended up under-reporting my deductions by almost $400!
This is such an important point about eBay's fee structure! I just started selling on eBay a few months ago and had no idea the fees varied so much between categories. I've been selling mostly electronics and collectibles, and you're right - the fee percentages are completely different. Where exactly do you find those monthly eBay invoice statements? I've been trying to track my fees manually from individual sale notifications, but it sounds like there's a much easier way to get all this information in one place. Also, do you know if eBay's "optional" fees like the listing upgrades (bold titles, gallery plus, etc.) should be categorized differently than the standard final value fees? I've used some of these features but wasn't sure if they count as advertising expenses or just general platform fees. Thanks for sharing this - definitely going to help me be more accurate on my Schedule C!
Great point about Form 706! I just went through this with my aunt's estate and almost missed that requirement. The estate was just over the threshold at $13.2 million, and none of the consumer tax software I looked at could handle Form 706. One resource that really helped me was the IRS Publication 559 (Survivors, Executors, and Administrators). It's dry reading but explains the difference between estate income and beneficiary distributions pretty clearly. I wish I had read it before starting the 1041 process. Also want to echo the advice about gathering all documents first. I thought I had everything organized but kept finding additional estate expenses weeks later - attorney fees, appraisal costs, even storage fees for estate property. Having to amend a 1041 is not fun and can delay getting the final distributions to beneficiaries. If anyone is dealing with a relatively simple estate (under $100k in income, basic assets), the online software options mentioned here should work fine. But if there's any complexity at all, the peace of mind from using a CPA who specializes in estate returns is worth the extra cost.
This is such valuable advice, especially about Publication 559! I'm just starting to navigate this process and feeling overwhelmed by all the different forms and requirements. Quick question - when you mentioned amending a 1041, how long did that delay your final distributions? I'm trying to set expectations with my family about when we might be able to close out the estate completely. Also, did you find any good resources for understanding when estate expenses are deductible on the 1041 versus on the estate's final 1040 (if applicable)? That distinction seems really important but confusing.
The amendment process took about 6 months total - 3 months for the IRS to process the amended 1041, then another few months to get the corrected K-1s to beneficiaries and handle their amended returns. It was frustrating because we thought we were almost done with the estate administration. For the deduction question, here's what I learned: Most estate administration expenses can be deducted on either the estate's 1041 OR the estate tax return (Form 706 if applicable), but not both. You have to make an election. Things like executor fees, attorney fees, accounting costs, and court costs are typically deductible on the 1041. However, expenses like medical bills and funeral costs that occurred before death would go on the decedent's final 1040. The key is the timing - was it an expense of the estate administration or a final expense of the decedent? IRS Publication 559 has a chart that breaks this down, and honestly, when I got confused I called the IRS directly (using that Claimyr service mentioned earlier - it really does work!) and they helped clarify specific situations.
I'm currently dealing with my father's estate and this thread has been incredibly helpful! Based on everyone's experiences, I'm leaning toward trying TaxAct Premium first since several people mentioned good results with it. One question I haven't seen addressed - how do these software options handle estimated tax payments for the estate? The estate has been receiving rental income throughout the year, so I'm assuming we'll need to make quarterly payments. Does the software calculate these automatically or do you need to figure that out separately? Also, for those who used professional help, did your CPA handle the entire estate administration or just the tax filing portion? I'm wondering if it makes sense to get professional guidance upfront for the whole process rather than just scrambling at tax time.
Dmitri Volkov
I went through this exact same situation two years ago with similar income levels. We ended up doing the religious ceremony without the legal marriage and have successfully filed as single for two tax seasons now. A few practical tips from our experience: 1. Keep excellent documentation of your decision - we have a written record of why we chose not to get a marriage license, which our tax attorney said was smart in case of questions later. 2. Be very careful about beneficiary designations on retirement accounts. We learned that some 401(k) plans require spousal consent for non-spouse beneficiaries, but since we're not legally married, this doesn't apply. However, we had to be explicit with HR that we're unmarried to avoid confusion. 3. Consider the timing if you ever do decide to legally marry later. Getting married on January 1st vs December 31st can make a huge difference in your tax liability for that year. 4. We found that having separate tax preparers actually helped - it avoids any appearance that we're coordinating our returns inappropriately, even though we're doing nothing wrong. The religious ceremony was beautiful and meaningful to us, and we've saved over $15,000 in taxes over two years. For our situation, it was absolutely the right choice.
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Chloe Boulanger
β’This is incredibly helpful to hear from someone who's actually done it! I'm curious about the separate tax preparers approach - did you find any complications with that? Like, do they ever ask about your living situation or try to coordinate anything between your returns? Also, when you mention keeping documentation of your decision, what exactly did you document? Just a letter stating your intentions, or something more formal? I want to make sure we cover all our bases if we go this route. The timing point about January 1st vs December 31st is brilliant - I hadn't thought about strategically timing a potential future legal marriage. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this!
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Diego Mendoza
This is such a fascinating discussion that really highlights the complexities of our tax system. I'm in a similar situation with my partner - we're both high earners and the marriage penalty would cost us significantly. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is how this might affect state taxes too. Some states have different rules or penalties that could either amplify or offset the federal marriage penalty. For example, some states don't have income tax at all, while others have their own marriage penalties or bonuses. Also, has anyone considered the psychological/social aspects of this decision? I worry about constantly having to explain to family, friends, and colleagues why we had a ceremony but aren't "really" married. It seems like it could create awkward situations, especially in professional settings where marital status sometimes comes up (like for benefits enrollment or company events). I'm really torn because the financial logic is clear, but I wonder if the social complexity and potential long-term legal complications outweigh the tax savings. Reading everyone's experiences here is incredibly valuable though - it's not a decision you can make lightly with these income levels where every choice has significant financial implications.
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