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I'm a tax attorney who has gone through this exact situation. The critical factor is whether the lawyer currently performs tasks that CPAs perform. If they're doing accounting, tax planning, financial analysis, etc. as part of their legal practice, then the CPA credential enhances existing skills rather than qualifying for a new profession. Schedule C deduction would likely be better than the Lifetime Learning Credit if they're self-employed and in a higher tax bracket. The LLC is limited to $2,000 with income phaseouts, while a Schedule C business deduction has no cap and reduces SE tax too.
Thanks for sharing your experience! When you say Schedule C might be better, does that mean you believe the education would qualify as a legitimate business expense under T Reg 1.162-5(a) for someone in this situation?
Yes, I believe it would qualify as a legitimate business expense in this specific case. The key is that T Reg 1.162-5(a) allows deductions for education that "maintains or improves skills required by the individual in his employment or other trade or business." If your client can document that they regularly perform accounting functions in their law practice (like tax planning, financial analysis for clients, etc.), then the CPA education enhances existing skills rather than qualifying them for a new profession. It's the actual tasks performed that matter, not the job title. I successfully took this position on my own return and have advised clients similarly without issues.
Has anyone considered that this might be eligible for both the Lifetime Learning Credit AND a partial Schedule C deduction? If the courses have mixed purposes (partly for current business, partly for new credentials), you might be able to allocate a percentage to each based on course content.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is the Accumulated Earnings Tax that C-corps face if they retain too much profit without a business purpose. Since you mentioned wanting to reinvest rather than distribute profits, this could become an issue if your C-corp builds up substantial retained earnings. The IRS might question why you're accumulating earnings instead of paying dividends, and could impose an additional tax. There's a presumptive threshold (about $250k) where this can trigger scrutiny, though you can justify higher retained earnings if you have legitimate business needs. An LLC doesn't face this issue since profits are taxed at the individual level regardless of whether they're distributed.
Can you explain more about this Accumulated Earnings Tax? I've never heard of it but might be in a similar situation with my business. Is there a way to document plans for the retained earnings to avoid this tax?
Yes, you can document specific plans for using the accumulated earnings to avoid the tax. The IRS looks for "reasonable needs of the business" - things like expansion plans, equipment purchases, research and development, or contingency funds for specific business risks. The key is having a concrete plan, not just a vague notion of "future growth." Documentation is crucial - board meeting minutes approving a specific expansion plan with estimated costs, for example. For an investment business, you could document plans to make specific types of larger investments that require accumulated capital. Just be aware that "investing in the market" isn't typically considered a reasonable business need since that's what investment companies do by default.
My accountant pointed out something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you form a C-corp just for investing, you might run into the Personal Holding Company (PHC) tax issue. This is a punitive tax (currently 20%) on undistributed income for closely-held corporations where passive income (like from investments) makes up more than 60% of gross income. This is specifically designed to prevent people from using corporations as tax shelters for investment income. So if investment is your primary activity in the C-corp, you might face this additional tax burden.
That's concerning and something I hadn't come across in my research. Between this PHC tax and the Accumulated Earnings Tax mentioned above, it sounds like there are multiple ways the IRS can penalize a C-corp used primarily for investments. Would an LLC taxed as an S-corp help avoid these specific issues while still potentially reducing self-employment taxes?
Exactly - the LLC taxed as an S-corp would avoid both the PHC tax and Accumulated Earnings Tax issues completely. S-corps are pass-through entities, so there's no concept of "undistributed earnings" at the corporate level to tax. The S-corp approach can help reduce self-employment taxes because you can split your income between salary (subject to SE tax) and distributions (not subject to SE tax). Just be careful - your salary must be "reasonable" for the services you provide. For an investment business where your active participation might be limited, this benefit could be minimal since most of your income might be considered passive already and not subject to SE tax regardless of structure. Talk to your accountant about the "material participation" tests for your specific situation to determine whether your investment activities would qualify as active or passive income.
Another option - if you use a payroll service like Homepay or SurePayroll for your household employees, they can usually generate and file the W3 for you, even retroactively! I did this last year when I realized I had messed up my nanny's taxes. It costs a bit, but they handle all the forms and even deal with the SSA directly. Saved me tons of headache trying to figure out all the forms myself.
I didn't use a payroll service last year, which is probably why I'm in this mess now! Do you know if these services can help with fixing past mistakes if I wasn't using them before? Or is it too late?
They can definitely help with past mistakes even if you weren't using them before! Both Homepay and SurePayroll offer "catch up" services where they'll help you file the missing forms from previous years. You'll need to provide them with the payment information for your household employee from 2023, and they can generate the proper W2 and W3 forms. They usually charge a one-time fee for this service rather than making you sign up for ongoing payroll. It's totally worth considering if you want to make sure everything gets done correctly without having to learn all the details yourself.
One thing to watch out for - make sure you're using the CORRECT year W3 form! I made this mistake and it caused even more headaches. The 2023 W3 form is specifically for wages paid in 2023, not the year you're filing in. Also, if the SSA is asking you to submit these forms now, you might face penalties for late filing. You can request a penalty abatement by attaching a letter explaining why you filed late (reasonable cause). I did this when I messed up my housekeeper's forms and they waived most of the penalties.
This is really important advice. I accidentally used the wrong year form once and it was a nightmare to fix. Another tip - keep copies of EVERYTHING you send to the SSA. I had to reference my copies when there was a mix-up with my household employee's Social Security earnings.
For what it's worth, I've been using different services for extensions vs filing for years. Usually do my extension through the free fillable forms on the IRS website since it's super basic, then use TaxAct for my actual return. Never had an issue. Just make sure wherever you file the extension gives you confirmation that it was accepted by the IRS.
Do you have to create an account with the IRS to use their free fillable forms for the extension? And is it actually free or do they try to upsell you?
You do need to create an account on the Free File Fillable Forms site, but it's pretty straightforward. It's completely free with no upsells - it's the official IRS program. It's basically just the raw forms without any guidance, so the extension form (4868) is simple enough, but some people find the complete tax forms overwhelming without software guidance. For just the extension though, it's a great free option.
Does anyone know if filing an extension affects your refund timing? Like if I'm owed money, will I get it later because I extended?
Julian Paolo
Just a warning - if you ever sell this property, you'll need to recapture all the depreciation you've taken (or were supposed to take even if you didn't claim it!) at a 25% tax rate. This surprises a lot of people. Also, if you move back into the property later and make it your primary residence again, you might qualify for some exclusion of gain under the ownership and use tests, but there are complex rules about periods of nonqualified use. Might want to consult with a CPA before making any big decisions.
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Ella Knight
ā¢This! Depreciation recapture bit me hard when I sold my rental last year. I didn't realize I'd have to pay back all those tax benefits at 25% rate. Would have made different decisions if I'd understood this from the beginning.
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William Schwarz
If this was supposed to be your primary residence but you had to rent it out, don't forget that if you do move into it later, the "2 out of 5 years" rule for capital gains exclusion ($250k single/$500k married) gets complicated. The IRS has specific rules about "non-qualified use periods" that can reduce your exclusion. You should definitely claim the mortgage interest deduction against rental income now, but just be aware it might affect your future tax situation if you sell or convert it back to personal use.
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Lucy Taylor
ā¢Thank you for mentioning this! We do hope to eventually move into this house, maybe in 2-3 years once my husband's employment stabilizes. Is there any documentation I should keep now to help with this potential future situation?
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William Schwarz
ā¢Keep absolutely everything! Save all records related to: - Your original purchase (closing documents, original intent to occupy) - Any emails or documentation showing your plans changed due to job loss - All rental income and expense records - Any improvements or repairs (with receipts) - Property tax statements showing separate land/building values - Documentation of when you begin using it as your primary residence Also consider getting a professional appraisal when you convert it back to personal use. Having solid documentation of the property's value at each conversion point can save you thousands in taxes when you eventually sell.
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