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This is such a frustrating situation but you're definitely not stuck with that $2,700 loss! I went through something similar with a relocation bonus I had to return. The key thing to understand is that since taxes were withheld on income you're now returning, you're essentially entitled to get those taxes back. The method depends on timing like others mentioned, but here's what worked for me: Since you're dealing with this now, push your employer HARD to handle this correctly. They should either: 1. Adjust your final W-2 to remove the bonus income entirely (cleanest option) 2. Issue you a corrected W-2 showing the reduced income Don't let them tell you it's "your problem" - they created this situation by withholding taxes on income you're returning. Most payroll departments know how to handle this, but you might need to escalate beyond your immediate HR contact. If they absolutely won't cooperate, document everything (emails, the repayment, original pay stub) because you'll need it for your tax filing. You can recover the money, but it's much easier if your employer handles it properly on the W-2. One tip: when talking to payroll, specifically mention "adjusting W-2 for returned compensation" - using the right terminology sometimes helps them understand what you need. Good luck!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - what if the employer is being completely uncooperative? Like they're saying "we paid you the bonus, you owe us the full amount back, figure out the taxes yourself." Is there any way to force them to handle it correctly on the W-2, or are you just stuck dealing with it on your own tax return? I'm worried my company is going to take this approach and I'll be left trying to navigate the claim of right doctrine stuff by myself.
Unfortunately, you can't force an uncooperative employer to handle this correctly on your W-2 if they refuse. I dealt with this exact situation where my company took the "not our problem" approach. Here's what you can do if they won't cooperate: 1. **Document everything** - Save all emails, your original pay stub showing the bonus and withholdings, proof of repayment, and any communication about their refusal to adjust the W-2. 2. **File Form SS-8** with the IRS if needed - This requests a determination on worker classification issues, but more importantly, it creates a paper trail showing the employer's non-cooperation. 3. **Use the claim of right doctrine** - Since your repayment will likely be over $3,000, you can use Section 1341 of the tax code. You'll calculate your tax both ways (with deduction vs. credit) and take whichever is more beneficial. 4. **Consider state taxes too** - Most states have similar provisions, but you'll need to handle this on your state return as well. 5. **Get professional help** - For amounts this size, it's worth paying a tax professional to ensure you're maximizing your recovery and properly documenting everything for the IRS. The good news is you WILL get the money back, it's just more paperwork. I recovered every penny of withheld taxes even with an uncooperative employer. It took an extra tax form and some calculations, but the IRS has clear procedures for this exact situation. Keep pushing your employer first, but don't panic if they won't budge - you have options!
This is really comprehensive advice! I'm in a similar situation but wondering about the timing aspect. My company paid me the signing bonus in late December 2024, but I won't be returning it until January 2025. Does this automatically mean I can't get them to adjust the W-2, or is there still a window where they might be able to handle it properly? Also, when you mention Section 1341, is this something most tax software can handle or do you really need to go to a professional for the calculations?
This happened to me too and I was completely baffled at first! You've definitely hit the Social Security wage base limit of $167,700 for 2025. Once you reach that threshold, they stop withholding the 6.2% Social Security tax for the rest of the year. The $150 you're still seeing is most likely Medicare tax (1.45%) which continues all year since there's no income cap on Medicare withholding. You can verify this by checking the year-to-date Social Security wages on your paystub - it should show exactly $167,700. This is totally normal and not a mistake! Come January 1st, the Social Security withholding will start up again at the full rate until you hit next year's wage base limit. It's actually a nice little boost to your take-home pay for the last few months of the year, though that first paycheck in January can be a bit of a shock when the full withholding resumes. I'd recommend maybe setting aside some of that extra money each month so you're prepared for the cash flow change when the new year starts. Enjoy the temporary "raise" - you've earned it!
Thanks for explaining this so clearly! As someone who's relatively new to this income bracket, I really appreciate how you broke down exactly what's happening. I had no idea there was even such a thing as a Social Security wage cap - you'd think this would be something they'd mention in financial literacy courses or when you get promoted to higher pay levels! I'm definitely going to follow your advice about setting aside some of the extra money. Reading through this thread, it sounds like that January reality check is pretty brutal when the full withholding kicks back in. Better to be prepared than get blindsided by a suddenly smaller paycheck. It's actually kind of reassuring to know this is a normal part of the tax system and not some weird payroll glitch. Thanks for sharing your experience - it really helps put things in perspective for those of us navigating this for the first time!
This is such a great explanation from everyone! I just went through this exact same situation a few months ago and was totally panicked thinking payroll had screwed something up. Like others mentioned, once you hit that $167,700 Social Security wage base limit, the 6.2% withholding stops for the rest of the year. What really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track this going forward. I calculated roughly when I'll hit the cap each year based on my salary and bonus timing, so now I can actually plan for that extra cash flow in the last few months. It's become part of my annual budgeting process. One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned - if you get a significant raise or bonus that changes your timeline for hitting the cap, it can really throw off your budgeting if you're not paying attention. Last year I got an unexpected bonus in March that pushed me over the limit two months earlier than I'd planned for. Definitely keep an eye on those year-to-date numbers throughout the year! The advice about setting money aside for January is spot on. That first paycheck of the new year when full withholding kicks back in is always a reality check, even when you know it's coming.
I'm new to this community but have been dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned after spending way too much time researching this! After reading through all these responses, I ended up calling the IRS directly (using that Claimyr service someone mentioned - it actually worked great and saved me hours of hold time). The agent I spoke with confirmed that social casino winnings are technically taxable as "other income" regardless of amount, but they also gave me some helpful context. They explained that for amounts under $1000 without corresponding 1099 forms, the IRS typically focuses their enforcement efforts on cases where there are other red flags or audit triggers. That said, they strongly recommended reporting it to avoid any potential issues down the line. What really helped me was keeping it simple: I reported my total winnings ($720 across multiple platforms) on Schedule 1 as "Social casino sweepstakes winnings" and kept records of what I spent playing in case I ever need them. The actual tax impact was only about $150 for my bracket, which felt worth it for the peace of mind. For anyone still on the fence about reporting smaller amounts - the process is way easier than it seems, especially with modern tax software, and having everything above board just removes one more thing to worry about during tax season!
This is super helpful! I'm also new here and have been stressing about this exact situation. Really appreciate you taking the time to actually call the IRS and share what they told you. The $150 tax impact for your bracket is really useful context - I was imagining it would be much worse. One quick question: when you kept records of what you spent playing, did you organize it in any particular way? Like did you track it by platform or just keep a running total? I've been playing on 3-4 different apps and my spending is kind of all over the place. Want to make sure I'm documenting things properly in case I ever need to reference them. Thanks again for sharing your experience with the community!
@Owen I'm curious about something you mentioned - when you spoke with the IRS agent about social casino winnings, did they distinguish between different types of platforms? I've been playing on some that are purely sweepstakes-based (like Chumba) versus others that feel more like traditional gambling but with virtual coins. Also, for your record-keeping, did you track both the money spent on coin purchases AND the time value of any free daily bonuses you collected? I'm wondering if there's a difference between "investing" actual money versus just time spent grinding free coins. Thanks for sharing your experience with the IRS call - definitely gives me more confidence about reporting my winnings properly!
I've been lurking in this community for a while and finally decided to join because this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in almost the exact same situation as the original poster - won about $920 across several social casino platforms last year and have been stressed about reporting it properly. After reading through everyone's experiences and advice, I feel much more confident about moving forward. The distinction between sweepstakes winnings vs traditional gambling that some folks mentioned really helped clarify things, and hearing about actual tax impacts from people who've been through this process is invaluable. I especially appreciate those who shared their experiences calling the IRS directly and using tax software to handle the reporting. It sounds like the process is much more straightforward than I was imagining. I think I'm going to go ahead and report my winnings as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 to stay compliant and avoid any future headaches. One quick question for the group: for those who reported social casino winnings, did any of you ever get follow-up questions from the IRS about it, or did it just process normally like any other income? I'm probably overthinking this, but curious about others' experiences after filing. Thanks again to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences here - this community is amazing for navigating these tricky tax situations that don't have clear-cut answers elsewhere!
Welcome to the community! I'm also relatively new here but have found this to be such a helpful resource for these kinds of tax questions that don't have straightforward answers. To answer your question about follow-up from the IRS - I reported similar social casino winnings last year (around $680) and it processed completely normally with no additional questions or correspondence. It just went through like any other "Other Income" entry on Schedule 1. I think as long as you're reporting it honestly and keeping basic records, the IRS treats it as routine income. The key thing that gave me peace of mind was what several people mentioned here about keeping documentation of any money spent playing, even if you don't end up needing to reference it. I created a simple spreadsheet with dates, platforms, amounts spent on coins, and winnings - nothing fancy, but it's there if I ever need it. You're definitely not overthinking it by wanting to report properly! Better to be compliant from the start than worry about it later. Good luck with your filing!
Welcome to the community, @Luca Esposito! I'm glad this thread has been helpful for you as you prepare your application. Based on my experience working with foreign national PTIN applications, I can answer your questions: **Two Documents Requirement:** An Indian passport plus Aadhaar card should work perfectly as your two government-issued documents. The key is that one must have a photograph (passport) and both must verify your identity and foreign status. Aadhaar cards are widely recognized as official Indian government identification, so you should be good there. **Timeline Clarification:** The 6-8 weeks I mentioned is specifically from when the IRS receives your complete, correctly prepared application package. The document gathering phase in India (notarization, apostille, translation) typically adds another 3-4 weeks depending on your location and local processing times. **Consulate Route:** You're right to check with the Indian consulate, but as others have noted, you'll likely still need the apostille from India. Indian consulates in the US can usually notarize documents, but the apostille authentication still goes through the Ministry of External Affairs in India. **Pro Tip for India:** Make sure your notarization is done by a First Class Magistrate or Notary Public registered under the Indian Notaries Act. The apostille should come from the designated authority in your state or the MEA in New Delhi, depending on who issued your passport. The investment in getting everything right upfront is definitely worth it. I've seen Indian applicants get approved in under 6 weeks when all documentation is properly authenticated. Best of luck with your application!
Thank you so much @Zoe Stavros for the detailed response! This is exactly the kind of specific guidance I was hoping for. The clarification about using a First Class Magistrate or properly registered Notary Public is crucial - I would have probably just gone to any local notary without knowing about these specific requirements. Your point about the timeline being 6-8 weeks from when the IRS receives the documents not (including the 3-4 weeks for document preparation is) really helpful for planning purposes. So I m'looking at roughly 9-12 weeks total from start to finish, which means I should begin this process well in advance of when I actually need the PTIN. The information about the MEA vs. state authority for apostilles is also valuable. Since my passport was issued in Mumbai, I ll'need to research whether I should go through the Maharashtra state authority or directly through MEA in New Delhi. One follow-up question - have you seen any issues with Aadhaar cards specifically? I know they re'widely accepted domestically, but I want to make sure there haven t'been any IRS rejections related to them not being recognized as proper foreign identification. This community has been incredibly welcoming and informative. As a newcomer to both tax preparation and the PTIN process, having access to this level of expertise and real-world experience is invaluable. I feel much more confident about navigating this process successfully now!
As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! I'm currently in the early stages of preparing my own PTIN application as a foreign national from the UK, and the level of detail and real-world experience shared here has been invaluable. What strikes me most is how consistent the issues seem to be across different countries - incorrect notarization, missing apostilles, and inadequate translations appear to be the main culprits for rejections. It's clear that the IRS is very strict about these requirements, but the rejection letters don't always provide the specific guidance needed to fix the problems. I'm particularly grateful for the cost breakdowns and timeline estimates various members have shared. Knowing that I should budget around £40-60 for notarization, £10-15 for apostille, and £80-120 for certified translation helps me plan financially. The 9-12 week total timeline (including document preparation) is also crucial for planning when to start this process. For other UK nationals who might be reading this, I plan to: 1. Use a UK solicitor or certified notary public for the passport notarization 2. Get the apostille through the FCO Legalisation Office 3. Have any non-English text translated by a certified translator registered with the Institute of Translation and Interpreting The services mentioned like Claimyr for reaching the IRS and taxr.ai for document analysis seem like they could be really helpful too, especially given how specific these requirements are. Thank you to everyone who has shared their experiences - this community support makes navigating these complex requirements so much more manageable!
Welcome to the community @Maria Gonzalez! Your planned approach for the UK looks spot-on based on everything that's been shared in this thread. The FCO Legalisation Office is definitely the right route for apostilles, and using ITI-registered translators shows you've done your homework. One small addition to your plan - make sure the UK solicitor or notary you use includes their practice certificate number and official seal on the notarization. I've seen some applications delayed because the notary didn't include sufficient identifying credentials, even though the notarization itself was valid. Also, since you mentioned timeline planning, I'd recommend starting the FCO apostille process as soon as you have the notarized documents. From what I understand, they can take 2-3 weeks currently, and you don't want that to be your bottleneck. The cost estimates you've outlined seem realistic too. It's definitely an investment upfront, but as everyone here has emphasized, getting it right the first time saves so much frustration and delay compared to facing multiple rejections. This thread really has become an amazing resource - I wish something like this had existed when I was going through my own PTIN application process! The collective wisdom shared here could probably save dozens of people from unnecessary rejections and delays. Best of luck with your application, and thanks for adding to the supportive atmosphere of this community!
LordCommander
Be careful with gifts to children - depending on how much and how it's set up, there could be kiddie tax implications if the money generates a lot of investment income. For smaller amounts it's usually not an issue.
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Lucy Lam
ā¢What's the threshold for kiddie tax in 2025? We're planning to set up investment accounts for our nieces and nephews.
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Tasia Synder
ā¢For 2025, the kiddie tax applies to unearned income (like investment gains, interest, dividends) over $2,650 for children under 19 (or under 24 if full-time students). The first $1,325 is tax-free, the next $1,325 is taxed at the child's rate (usually 10%), and anything above $2,650 gets taxed at the parents' marginal rate. So if you're gifting money that will just sit in a savings account earning minimal interest, kiddie tax won't be an issue. But if you're planning to invest larger amounts that could generate significant returns, you might want to consider 529 plans or other tax-advantaged accounts instead. The kiddie tax rules are designed to prevent parents from shifting large amounts of investment income to their children's lower tax brackets.
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Sofia Ramirez
This is such great advice from everyone! Just wanted to add one more consideration - if your dad is concerned about the paperwork aspect of filing Form 709 for gifts over $18k per person, he might want to consider making the gifts in January rather than later in the year. That way if he decides to spread larger amounts across multiple years, he maximizes the time between gift dates. Also, since you mentioned you have young kids, your dad might want to look into educational gift strategies. He can pay tuition directly to educational institutions (including private school, tutoring, etc.) without it counting toward the annual gift limits at all. Same goes for medical expenses paid directly to healthcare providers. These "qualified transfers" are completely separate from the $18k annual exclusion amounts. One last thought - if your family is in different states, make sure to check if there are any state-level gift tax implications. Most states don't have gift taxes, but a few do, and the rules can be different from federal requirements.
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Dominique Adams
ā¢This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I had no idea about the qualified transfers for education and medical expenses - that could be huge for our family. My dad has been helping with some of my kids' tutoring costs anyway, so knowing he can pay those directly without it affecting the gift limits is amazing. Quick question about the timing - you mentioned making gifts in January. Is there any other benefit to that timing besides just maximizing time between years? Like does it affect when any required forms need to be filed? Also, we're in California and my dad is in Nevada - do you know if either of those states have gift tax issues I should worry about?
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